Michael Moore: Trump Will Win in 2020 if Democrats Nominate Another ’Centrist Moderate’ like Hillary

obama did alot of damage to the country. And yes, he put children in cages.

 

Record numbers.

 

Crickets from the OP as usual!

Sad!

 

Really? Everyone knows about the rule of not separating families of illegal aliens. Stop being so coy.

 

I think she's too far left to beat Trump. It would take the economy going south for the public, especially after the Bush Recession, to jump at changing the economy.

 

Warren is using the standard playbook of appealing to the base for the primaries and then moving back to the center for the general.

Yes, she is a threat to the Establishment and the Wall Street Casino Banksters because she is going to put an end to their exploitation and gouging of hardworking Americans.

The gravy train doesn't last forever and sooner or later the wealthy elite are going to have grow up and deal with reality. The alternative is considerably worse. Whenever wealth disparity has reached these levels in the past there have been revolutions. Warren is a sane and sensible alternative that will allow them to keep the bulk of what they have stolen from the middle class.

 

Absolutely, but his performance actually shows economic improvement ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Yes, Andy, "anything is possible", including the great likelihood that everywhere ol' Joe (of "son-of-a-bitch" fame) goes, he's going to get his own Ukrainian 'quid pro quo' thrown right in his face! And why would OTHER Democrat candidates fail to make an issue of it?

There is NO logical way that Hunter Biden was given a $50,000/month 'job' on the board of an energy company in Ukraine! FACE IT, and understand, if you guys on the Left aren't going to be forced to 'wear' Joe Biden like a dirty, stinking garment next year, you'd better get rid of him before ALL of you are laughed off the stage of public opinion....

And you, Langley, are completely missing the FIFTY-BILLION DOLLAR 'ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM'! Bloomberg! He roared into the election as a candidate, suddenly, at exactly the moment that ol' Joe's "son-of-a-bitch" stunt was getting splattered all over every screen in the world! Why? Because it's obvious now to Libocrat 'think-tanks' that Biden's candidacy is going into a death spiral as soon as libs have milked the impeachment 'hooptie' for everything you think it's worth. Who in their right mind is going to vote for Biden now that we KNOW what he and his cocaine-huffing child actually DID in Ukraine? Are you being rational?! Nobody's going to let him get away with this -- not even the other Democrats!

Imagine seeing 15-second excerpts taken from this on TV, dozens of times, all day long, between next March and election day: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html . It's there for all to see -- Biden openly BRAGS about shaking the Ukrainian oligarchs down! He cannot (CANNOT) run away from that, and neither can the Democrat Party if they actually support him!

Put your money on Bloomberg, because he knows exactly what he's doing... and HE'S worth over fifty-billion dollars -- enough money to make Trump look like a panhandler by comparison.... Your only real question at this point should be, "so who's gonna be Mikey's running mate?"

. Killed by HIS OWN BIG MOUTH!

 

No, it doesn't.

Real wages... up less than 1% over the last three years.



Economic growth looks a lot like 2013-2015. Worse still, Trump's growth was bought with an increased government deficit and an overheated stock market.



Trump hasn't done anything to change the factors that could permanently improve economic growth--increase, public and private, business investment, R&D, useful infrastructure (not bridges to nowhere), and worker training.

 

Sorry, Pollycy...

Your "analysis" is Dead WRONG...

1) Bloomberg doesn't have a prayer of actually getting the Nom.

Bloomberg is a Vanity Candidate on an Ego Trip setting money on fire (for reasons known only to him).

Bloomberg has ZERO Chance at the Dem. Nom. NONE.

That said, by all means feel free to vote for Bloomberg if he is still on the ballot when your state votes.

2) Biden (barring anything unforeseen) will be the Dem. Nominee.

If you don't like Biden...
...Then you will be free to vote for Trump, sit it out, vote 3rd Party, or write-in Mickey Mouse.

The secret ballot is a beautiful thing.

(PS--Anybody who even remotely cares about the Hunter Biden "Conspiracy narrative" had no intention of voting for Biden, in any event).

And totally LMAO at thinking that the Biden/Ukraine Clip (no matter how many times it is shown) is going to influence any votes.

"Ukranian oligarchs"?

And, once again, Bloomberg is toast.

 

I think Moore is over looking where a majority of independents are politically. Sure, we have some to the right of the Republicans and to the left of the Democrats. But I would say the majority of independents are somewhere in-between the left and right of our two major parties. If they weren't, they would have stayed with the party they once belonged to. In 2006, 30% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that is up to 40% give or take a point or two. The meaning there is both major party are shrinking as they move further and further left and right. At least as I see it.

One of the reasons Hillary lost is that she didn't follow that old political adage when it comes to Democrats. Campaign left during the primaries, move toward the center for the general election. Since the DNC and Democratic state party leaders jury rigged the primaries in Hillary's favor, she tried to placate Sanders supporters by staying left during the general. She knew they were angry at her and the Democratic Party. So she basically took Sanders agenda and made it hers in hope of getting Sanders supporters back into her fold. That didn't work. Sure she won the Sanders supporters vote. But who knows how many stayed home. We do know that among those Sanders supporters who voted, 75% voted for Hillary 12% for Trump, 13% for third party candidates. Compare that to the total Democratic base vote, 89% for Hillary, 8% for Trump, 3% third party. By staying left, that enabled Trump to win the independent vote and thus the White House.

My advice to Democrats, don't overlook or ignore independents as Hillary did.

 

Ya know, I almost feel sorry for the Democrat Party.... It's been one non-stop, 'skid-crash-and-burn' episode ever since Comey let Hillary off the hook for breaking national security laws. Then you lost the election. Then your horrendous "Russia-hacked-the-election-for-Trump" gambit blew up in your faces. Then you were made to look like reckless, giddy morons during the assassination attempt on Brett Kavanaugh. And now, a double-header -- the "impeachment" farce, AND, Joe Biden and his "make them an offer they can't refuse" tragicomedy in Ukraine!

I was raised to be a Democrat. My entire childhood in Texas was among Democrats -- hell, my family didn't even know anyone who was a "Republican". I'm not being facetious -- I really do feel sorry for the Democrat Party, going from what it was to the 'thing' it has turned into today. But, if it really has gone from being the political party with a president like John F. Kennedy, to a third-rate, half-witted, corrupt clown like Joe Biden, then make him your nominee and let's see just how thoroughly AWFUL the race to next November can be....

I don't even like Donald Trump, or quite a number of his policies. It's a hell of a "fall from grace" to think that the Republican Party, which was once the party of Ronald Reagan, has turned into what it is today, so don't imagine that I'm happy about any of this.... You guys run Biden, and I guess I'll have to vote for Trump -- again. There is no "Door Number 3". Throwing my vote away for Ross Perot, twice, taught me that much....

 

Oh knows, graphs again I dont graphs, I do visuals like shopping carts, new homes being built, year and make of vehicle and unemployment numbers.. And where I live and from what I see things are pretty damn good and peeps are doing much better then they were under Economitard Obama!

 

Michael Moore: Trump Will Win in 2020 if Democrats Nominate Another ’Centrist Moderate’ like Hillary

Trump will win anyway.

 

Oh, please--you can't even support a claim Biden had enough pull as VP to make it worth buying his kid. You're repeating BS.

Says a diehard Trump supporter. Some of you guys are are disconnected from the real world.

Exactly what did Hunter Biden do in the Ukraine and exactly how is what he supposedly did connected to Joe Biden? Can you actually put meat on the bones? I see no evidence you can.

Get away with what?

Biden was doing the express bidding of Obama and our NATO allies; Trump was shaking down Zelensky out of public view. Why do you continue repeating the same propaganda?

He could get the nomination if he came out against his own kind (rich people), but he won't.

As for Biden ... if he goes down now, Klobuchar will become the favorite. Biden or Klobuchar? I'll take her. Can she scale up? We may find out.

 

Ehhh...I understand what Moore is saying, but I'm not in full agreement. The liberals who would vote for a centrist like Hillary might not be so inclined to vote for Bernie Sanders if he supports letting prisoners vote, giving free health care to illegals, and letting men into women's locker rooms. For every unemployed progressive you have on this board with nothing to do but post about Trump all day long, you have multiple white, union members with a job who's more concerned with economics than making trannies and convicted felons happy.

 

No, Moore is saying that because he is a Bernie guy now. That is the new montra from the Bernie Bro’s, “A centrist can’t beat Trump”, but they leave out the rest which is “a centrist cant beat Trump....because Bernie is a socialist”.....

The real danger here is that the Bernie crown will burn the Democratic Party to the ground, along with the rest of the country if the dems don’t nominate Bernie. Hell, 25% of them didn’t vote in the last general for that very reason.

The real problem here is that the elections, even one as highly contested as the nest presidential election, are about independents. Those indendents are usually centrists who wont vote to far from center. Those centrists wont vote for a socialist. I don’t care what poll you see, Bernie cant defeat Trump because of the “undecideds” in those polls. The country will never elect a self avowed socialist. Hell, the republicans will win just by calling him a socialist.

And the other thing is the Bernie crowd seems to forget is that even on the VERY SLIM chance he gets selected, their is NO congress in America that will give him the socialist policies he is promising. NONE, NADA, ZILCH

 

I don't see it.

I would say Biden has well over a 90% Chance.

The only other possibility (at this point) would seem to be Sanders (since he seems to be leading Warren among Progressives).

Amy has ZERO realistic chance at the Nom.

She could (possibly) fit as a VP.

The only real intrigue is how long Bernie and Liz stay in.

Regardless of the first 3 states, Biden is poised to win SC in a rout (and then he should steamroll on Super Tuesday and win every remaining March Primary).

By the End of March, Biden's Delegate Lead with be (virtually) insurmountable and the only (even tiny) chance that there may exist to stop him is if Warren or Sanders drops out and endorses the other.

And, even then, it may be too late to Stop Biden

 

Sorry, but the proof is in the form of a graph from the St. Louis Federal Reserve. Real wages have increased less than 1% since Trump took office. The economy has grown about as fast as it was under Obama from 2013-2015.

This is propaganda. I provided clear evidence about the entire country and you're spinning about where you live. Heck, there were even communities doing okay during the Great Depression in the 1930s.

 

Hardly, remember the one where Hillary wins by a landslide, Ya that one

 

My question is how does a candidate pivot towards the center in the general when they are advocating far left policies like open borders, illegal immigrant reparations, etc?

 

Yes I agree but this is where that schism in the democrat party is-older "establishment/corporate" candidates and voters vs the younger, further left dems who felt cheated in 2016.

I wonder if there will be riots at the DNC convention.

 

Well that's easy! They rely on the intelligence of their base, or "The lack off" in this particular scenario!

 

He's odds-on if he can avoid self-destructing.

Yes, I think Sanders has the inside track with more liberal types.

If Biden self-destructs, her lane is clear, at least for now, except for Buttigieg.

Only for Bernie Sanders and I think she'd decline his invite.

They're killing each other.

Yes, if he can avoid a fatal gaffe.

 

Is that flabby hypertense beast still wringing his lady hands?