Milestone: More private sector jobs today than when Obama took office.

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a shocker. Keep the poor people out fo the polls. Because the uber rich don't have enough influence in politics as it is, so let's just disenfranchise the poor buggers altogether.

    It's what I expect from those who support enriching the 1% at the expense ofthe 99%.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a shocker. Keep the poor people out fo the polls. Because the uber rich don't have enough influence in politics as it is, so let's just disenfranchise the poor buggers altogether.

    It's what I expect from those who support enriching the 1% at the expense ofthe 99%.
     
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    endfedthe Banned

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    man you are one annoying moron

    democracy is 51% can slaughter 49%

    individual rights and capitalism make usa great

    not communism
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Must be extremely strong Koolaid that you drink...
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not lying at all, or on welfare for that matter.

    Anyone can verify for themselves my post is true for themselves here: http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cesbtab1.htm

    And then decide for themselves who is lying.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    According to your website above; http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

    Total non-farm 'annual' employment from 2007 through August 2012 is (in thousands); 137,598, 136,790, 130,807, 129,874, 131,359, and through August 2012 133,092 (preliminary).

    The numbers do speak for themselves...
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama wasn't president in 2007 or 2008, for those out there who apparently are not aware.
     
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    And the employment was higher by a few million.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And tanking downward by hundreds of thousands a month.

    Ah, the good old days, right?
     
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    Yeah lets look. 9/11 happened under bush and he more than recovered. Obummer came in and consumer confidence went through the floor. Obummer admin is still lagging a few million behind and it still needs to create new jobs on top of getting back the old ones.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your chart is irrelevant. It shows total jobs, not private sector.
     
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    Yeah rite! Duck and cover using smoke and mirrors!

    [​IMG]

    Here you go. Looks about the same!
     
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    You can discover which years Obama is president and you can determine on your own if Obama's numbers are larger than past numbers...
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No you see the chart confirming what I said. Private sector jobs are higher today than when Obama took office!

    After 8 years of Bush, OTOH, we had fewer private sector jobs than when he took office.

    First time since Hoover that ever happened, I believe.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, you need the database of jobs to get that number. I provided the link.
     
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    Sure but when you look at the real data those numbers are not representative of one fact:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/217407/state-revenue-and-forecast-as-a-percentage-of-the-gdp/

    Revenues are down with higher employment.

    Tell me again we are better off? More jobs but higher welfare roles:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...a-sure-sign-that-recovery-never-happened.html

    You must have bumped your head.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really think we were better off losing 700,000+ jobs a month than 4.6 million new additional private sector jobs in 31 straight months of private job growth?

    You must have bumped your head.
     
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    With increased welfare roles and much lower pay for the jobs that are being created I would say yes. The big picture is that many housholds are now needing to have two incomes where one was necessary in the past.

    Do you really want to take this thread to the next level? Can the real truth be dealt with or will it just be ignored as usual by the left and the right?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You must have bumped your head.

    Or more likely, your invested in failure for political purposes.
     
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    But there are more jobs today! Obama years are killing us. The jobs under his watch pay less and exploit more. I really do not think you can dispute that.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are more private sector jobs today than when Obama took office. But we are still recovering from the recession and as more folks get jobs, we should start seeing incomes recovery.

    In fact we are already starting to see that, as this updated chart shows:

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    The difference is that 4 years ago, when you think things were better, things were getting a lot worse fast. Today we are heading in the right direction and making steady improvement.
     
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    First off: Thanks for the updated chart.

    Every indication is that the jobs being created are very low end and many companies are seeking immigrants to fill those positions. I am telling you things are much worse than they look.
     
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    I will defend that we are better off now than we were 4 years ago. The economy was tanking then and it is steadily recovering now. However, I also will concede that this recovery has not been a good one. If you want to blame Obama for that, that's your perogative. I think that more fundamentally, that this recovery has been slow and flat, like the one before it and that one before that, because the great engine of spending, the middle classes, have been left behind by "trickle down" policies that have redistributed most of the growth in income and wealth over the past 30 years to the top 10% and mostly top 1%. As a result, they don't have the money or income to spend to drive a robust recovery like we used to see before the mid 1980s.

    Our middle classes have been hammered. IMO we don't need a leader whose top priority is pandering to the 1%.
     

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