Minimum Wage

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by God & Country, Sep 8, 2018.

  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    False. But, the bigger question is why you got so confused.
     
  2. WillReadmore

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    Oh, good Lord! Poor, poor you.
     
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    Capitalism bails out socialism- Yes.
    That's a shameful thing, but it's true.

    Socialism's principle foundation is sucking the life out of those who excel, so others can be mediocre with little or no effort.

    As Margaret Thatcher said, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
     
  4. WillReadmore

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    Again, you dodged the question.

    Your position wasn't that you wanted tariffs. It was that you want China to buy more of our stuff.

    I want to know: How does that fit in with free market capitalism?
     
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    Capitalism died in 1929 and socialism has been bailing out capitalism, ever since.
     
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    Not true at all; capitalism died in 1929 and socialism has been bailing out capitalism, ever since.

    Only lousy capitalists, lose money with social, public policies.
     
  7. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would say that instead of feeling sorry for those who won't work, a person with any character would feel sorry for the fact that those who take the free money despise those who provide it. Perhaps you are one of those getting it? That would explain the rational.

    Of course, I'm not poor- but then, I work. My taxes would support a normal family in good style. Some years, two families. And, I don't mind paying taxes; but I do mind not getting my money's worth and seeing it wasted.
     
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    There are several online universities where you can take economics and business classes to help you understand what you are saying before you say it. I would recommend doing that. The socialists have been doing what they do best for many years, which is to lie about the whole process to lure slow-thinkers and easy marks into the fold. You might want to look at some critical thinking classes too.
     
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    Only in right wing fantasy. FDR's social policies are still, hard at work, bailing out Capitalism.
     
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    Capitalism doesn't "bail out socialism". That's just ridiculous.

    Our economy and the will of the people allows our government to address particular problems that capitalism has NO INTEREST in addressing. And, the method used by our government almost always includes contracting private enterprise that would otherwise have not been even slightly interested in addressing the problem.

    Yes, you want to add your name to the long list of those who quote Thatcher!

    I'll just ask you to remember that her broad changes to healthcare in the UK included healthcare paid for from public revenue and distributed to all with almost zero charge.

    And, you will remember that I'm a proponent of that Thatcher policy, too!

    Are you lobbying your congressional contingent for that, or are you a pretender?
     
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    I'd urge you to take the topic more seriously than your feelings.
     
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    Our highway system was not build "privately". Regardless of what "could be" the fact of the matter is that our roads and infrastructure were built on the basis of wealth redistribution.

    What part of that are you having trouble figuring out ?
     
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    Bunk.

    The Democrats said they opposed the memo because it would damage national security... They lied, of course.

    Plan 2 was to complain that it was false or misleading.. They lied again, as expected.

    The Democrats even put it their own memo. It revealed nothing to change any of the facts that were in the Nunes memo.
     
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    Yes, I am a very black and white kinda guy. Things are either true or false, negative or positive, good or bad. Now why do I call you a redistributionist? Because you seem to be very much in favor of it. You say "I am not a supporter of wealth distribution in general - but I am not stupid enough to think it is not a necessary evil". This is like saying you're not a big fan of the devil, but somebody has to run hell.

    Sorry, but you can't sit on that fence. It's either necessary or unnecessary. You consider it necessary, thus a redistributionist.
     
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    It may not fit into your personal defination of free market capitalism

    But in the real world pure free market capitslism does not exist
     
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    Bob buys a loaf of bread from Brad for a dollar.

    What exactly isn't free market capitalist between that exchange?
     
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    Nothing

    It seems ok to me
     
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    It's not a free market when the government comes in and tells Brad he needs to have a license to bake bread, and another license to sell bread to the public, and that he needs to have an authorized place of business that is subject to all kinds of rules and regulations concerning fire escapes, handicapped facilities, etc. etc. etc.

    So I get what you're saying, but there are many things that can be done to work around all that useless red tape.
     
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    Oh, really?

    What economic model do YOU think American business operates under?
     
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    It's a necessary evil.

    If I don't allow the local mafia to redistribute my wealth they will kill me.
    I don't like it, I don't agree with it.
    I am a kickarse ninja I own many guns.
    I can fight, I can run, I can hide. I can make myself a hard target.
    I can give away all my money.

    But the path of least resistance is to pay it. And there are other things more important to me than starting a war I will most likely lose.
    Other things I could be doing with my time.

    Necessary evil.
    I don't enjoy cleaning toilets. I still do it. Necessary evil.
    There is no black and white. I clean toilets because I enjoy cleaning toilets, no. I clean toilets because I don't like diseases and stinking bathrooms.
     
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    So you do not think that drinking water, roads, infrastructure, police and military are necessary ?
     
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    I agree with you completely

    Government red tape can be as bad or worse at the local level than what the feds demand

    In fact I was just reminded of that today

    And it sucks
     
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    Market capitalism regulated by government pinheads in washington
     
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    This again?
     
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    Minimum wage is a necessary evil. Thanks to outsources and cheap sweatshop goods, and free trade with scumbag countries like China and Mexico, we have allowed the economy to stagnate to the point where there is really no incentive for employers to pay a fair wage. They can get away with screwing their employees with no fear of those employees quiting and finding work with their competition. Minimum wage is needed to ensure that workers can make a living.

    However, there is also the fact that federal minimum wage really does nothing. Even at $15.00 millions of Americans will be left well under a living wage. Each state needs to establish their own minimum wage, equal to the cost of living in their jurisdiction. That's the only way a minimum wage will ever work.
     

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