Minimum Wage

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  1. MAGA

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    Bob.pays
    It is evil, but not necessary.

    Every time you increase the minimum wage you put some people out of work and make the working poor even poorer.

    There are jobs that are not worth $ 7.50/hr to an employer. Currently the business owner is left with the option of losing money and risking every job in the business, or hiring nobody. Some kid could work part time and learn the value of work. Perhaps learn a trade. Perhaps get some spending money.

    But no... The government says this young person cannot make this money legally.
     
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  2. Bluesguy

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    Yes in a capitalistic society people are free to change jobs or not work at all. What's your point?
     
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    Why don't all employers just pay everyone minimum wage? Do you only make minimum wage?
     
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    Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, solves that problem.
     
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    Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed due to Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.
     
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    And?..... Not all people unemployed receive unemployment compensation.
     
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    The idea of dismissing judgment and common sense for the sake of pity is hardly one that benefits anybody.
    One does not have to dismiss compassion or empathy in order to use their heads wisely.
    In doing that, help is put in the places where it does real good rather than further corrupt the undeserving.

    Feelings and emotions cannot be allowed to make all your decisions, because it disconnects you from logic and reason- but not from stupidity..
     
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    All adults should.
     
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    What do you mean "This again" - just because you completely fail to come up with a coherent response does not mean your dilemma disappears.

    You claim it is one or the other "Black vs White". Should we get rid of the Police, Military ? Yes or No. These are paid for by wealth redistribution.

    Should we shut down water treatment facilities and stop maintaining roads and infrastructure - paid for by wealth redistribution. Yes or No.

    The answer of course is No - which means that you are contradicting yourself.
     
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    No they shouldn't. If you voluntarily leave your job because you don't like it you don't get unemployment in most cases.

    Can I receive benefits if I quit my job or if I am terminated?

    Generally, you must meet certain requirements to be eligible. You must be able to work, available for work, willing to accept suitable work, actively seeking full time work, and be out of work due to no fault of your own. If you voluntarily quit your job, the burden of proof is on you to show that you quit for a good work connected reason. If you are terminated or discharged, your employer must show that you were terminated for a work-connected cause as stated in the Alabama UC Law.
    https://www.labor.alabama.gov/uc/claims.aspx#q4
     
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    Yes, they should. Employment is at the will of either party. EDD has to Prove, for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.
     
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    So what? Why does that obligate a third party?
     
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    Unemployment compensation is accomplished via a State agency.
     
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    The Feds contribute different amounts. The states manage it.
     
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    Yes paid by a third party, try again

    So what? Why does that obligate a third party?
     
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    The law is employment at will. The State must prove for-cause employment to deny and disparage employment compensation in an at-will employment State.
     
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    I am advocating for a general tax on Firms, to address that issue.

    Simply hire everyone who asks, especially in Right to Work States, if you want to avoid that tax.
     
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    Taxation should also be, cost effective.
     
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    What do you mean simply hire anyone who ask? If someone comes knocking on your door and ask you to hire them you have to hire them? And what general tax on firms, companies already pay part of the cost of unemployment benefits and what does being a right to work state have to do with it?
     
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    What is "for cause employment" and what does it have to do with at-will employment. You want to force people to work or something? They cannot quit a job at their choosing the government can force them to stay on the job?
     
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    Another tax on employers punishing them for the sin of denying someone the opportunity to collect welfare.

    Among the most basic, beginner laws of economics is that taxing something reduces it.
     
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    Our current regime is expensive, litigious, and incomprehensive.

    Unemployment compensation should be comprehensive enough to double as a social safety net.

    A general tax instead of our current regime, would be an improvement.
     
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    Well when you figure out what you are talking about let me know because it makes no sense in these general vague terms.
     
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    Employment is at the will of either party. EDD should Have to Prove for-cause employment to deny and disparage compensation for employment at the will of either party.
     
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    OK what does that have to do with unemployment insurance payments? And what do you mean prove "for-cause employment" which states do recognize at-will employment?
     
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