~ MOD ALERT ~ Obama Just Gave Amnesty to Illegal Aliens

Is this country one bit like it was in the early days? Yes, we were a young nation with a big country and we needed people to help us grow. But we are no longer a young nation and we have millions living here now. We also have around 20 million without jobs, or only working part time. So it's obvious Jeff, we can't take care of what we have now and you want to let in and make citizens who ever can cross our border? I just can't get passed that kind of thinking. It doesn't make sense to me and it doesn't seem fair for millions of others waiting in line to come in legally. Maybe you Liberals can convince me my thinking is all messed up and you guys are right. I welcome the chance for you guys to try and convince me. Fire away.

 

I was commenting about someone else's comments about the founding fathers.

I have commented before in your immigration threads, and my thoughts are more closely aligned with yours than not. I believe in a rational and reasonable and comprehensive immigration reform, but one that does not lead ultimately to citizenship for those who are illegally in the country.

 

Thank you Jeff, I didn't realize that you were in agreement with me. I notice there are several that just posted that don't. Obvious I don't agree with them, especially when we were told this would never happen again. Maybe a lot on the Right don't think our government should have to keep a promise made to us, I sure as heck don't feel that way. If we don't hold them to their promises, we might as well keep our mouth shut and let them do to us as they please and then don't complain on these boards at what they have done. I'm afraid that most though, only follow their Party's policy and to hell with thinking on their own.

 

The soldier was given citizenship and his family is a service family. We take care of service families, at least most of us. I guess the right doesn't care about service families anymore.

 

Don't confuse them with facts, it just makes them angry.

 

Oh, you are a poor man if you believe all this. #16 is especially comical. Ask the Native Americans who brought foreign diseases to this land?

 

Those who "worship at the altar of saint Ronnie" are young (under 40) REAGANISTS, AKA "Psuedo-Conservatives. They are actually the farthest thing from a real conservative. See the guy in my avatar ? That's a real conservative. But the psuedos where alive when he was president, so they're too young to remember. All they know is the FALSE conservatism created b y Reagan, not to further Conservatism (ie, CONSERVING America's values), but just to protect HIS big, fat movie star income from taxation, which has NOTHING to do with conservatism. In fzct, it goes in the opposite direction. REAL conservatives want to stop immigration. That require enormous amounts of federal spending (from taxation). REAL conservatives want to provide good, safe, infrastructure, stop Islamization and terrorism, build prisons, keep a strong national defense and military. All this requires big govt, big taxes, big spending >> REAL Conservatism.

PS - Ike has a 92% tax on the rich. Reagan had 28%. Ike chased illegal aliens back to Mexico in Operation Wetback. Reagan gave them amnesty. ANd when Ike was grinding his way across Germany to Berlin and victory in World War II, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe, Reagan was in Hollywood making movies about it.

Maybe you just never met a REAL CONSERVATIVE before (since there are so many psuedos around nowadays)

 

And that experience of those American Indians (Native American is an incorrect term to describe them) is a perfect example. This is similar to that, only 200 years later. And if you don't believe the items in the list, upon what do you base that disbelief ? Got anything to refute it ? If so, let's hear it.

 

1. As i explained before, I'm not "the right". I voted for Obama in 2008, I support the ACA, Obama's jobs bills, raising taxes on the rich, various business regulations, and raising the minimum wage. And some of my (economic) positions might leave you looking like Rush Limbaugh.

2. What "soldier" ? This isn't about a soldier. It;'s about Obama giving amnesty to illegal aliens who (allegedly) are related to peopl ein the US military. Try reading the OP and links,

 

They aren't Indians. We don't live in India.

They are Native Americans or Aboriginal Americans.

 

what facts? Amnesty has NEVER been absolute. Go talk to a prosecuting attorney. If you get amnesty from prosecution for a crime in exchange say for testimony and then later commit another crime they can and usually WILL revoke your amnesty.

This is stupid, childish word games. These people have been given amnesty from deportation barring exigent circumstances.

 

wrong.

when have we ever given illegals "amnesty", but with many conditions upon which they could still get deported?

when it comes to illegal immigrants, "amnesty" means they are immune from deportation.

 

HOLY (*)(*)(*)(*) get over yourself. Who cares if they are called Indians, or Injuns, or whatever. Sheesh

Oh and seeing as how they lived here before American was America anyway, you aren't even using the correct term.

 

It does not Ron, I gave you a textbook definition of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing word. Can you post ANYTHING that supports your claim? No you can not.

Need more proof that you have NO clue what you are talking about?

The 1986 bill that gave amnesty to about 3 million people, included STIPULATIONS to get that amnesty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

Hmm seems you have lost again, question is are you ever going to be man enough to admit it?

 

its not amnesty if you can still be deported.

 

The soldier has a family that will be protected like other service families. Are you trying to dodge the real issue?

 

So here is the story of one military family.

http://www.iyjl.org/veteranfamilies/

“So, why are you still undocumented?” That was the question that I got from most people because they could not believe that an Army wife was struggling to get a green card. After all, it is expected that being married to a U.S. citizen should grant you legal status automatically, even more if your spouse is in the military! Well, not really. The immigration system is so broken that the legalization process is a nightmare, even for military families. While you would expect that immigration laws would be more lenient with family members of U.S. military personnel, the truth is that we still have to deal with a bureaucracy that has no consideration for the undocumented experience: families being separated due to deportations, waiting in limbo for years, and living in deep poverty and with limited resources. In the case of undocumented military families, not only do we have to worry about our soldiers’ safety, but also about our own because we know we could be deported any time while our spouses, parents, and daughters/sons are fighting overseas.

Regardless of the situation, undocumented family members are still expected to be available for our soldiers, no matter where they are, because we are told that families are the strongest source of emotional support they have. We are constantly reminded that their mental and emotional readiness depends on us. In a way, we are just as involved in a deployment as our soldiers, except that our war is at home. We are here fighting against deportations. Fighting against a government that does not care about family unity and does little to honor the many sacrifices made by all families, including military families. We have provided a service to this country and our soldiers have put their lives at risk in order to protect it. If the government really cared about those fighting for it, why has it not passed a law to provide undocumented military family members with a clear path to legalization? Why are so many of us still undocumented and at risk of getting deported? Yes, I agree with all the people who did not understand why I could not get a green card. It does not make sense.

David and I got married in 2008 and for about two years we consulted a few immigration lawyers, but they all suggested that we do not apply for my green card because there was a high chance that I would not be granted a visa. Given that I crossed the border without authorization, I had to return to Mexico and get a visa in order to re-enter legally. However, according to the immigration lawyers, we could not prove “extreme hardship” because my husband was physically and mentally healthy and did not really “need” me (apparently love is not enough!). Also, I had no strong ties to the U.S. since I was not the primary caregiver of a U.S. citizen in need – either a child or a sick relative. Thus, my chances of being approved for a visa were minimal and there was a high risk that I would get the 10 year bar. That meant that David and I would have to be separated for many years, David could not move to Mexico since his Army reserves contract was still active. We told the lawyers that David had been in the Army for at least 5 years, that I had come as a child, that I was a college student and did not want to lose my education. We asked if those factors could be used to prove that I needed to stay in the U.S. The lawyers said that none of that mattered because in the end, immigration officials only cared about punishing me for “breaking the law.” At that point David and I realized that we had no options. They lawyers advised me to wait until the DREAM Act or an immigration reform bill got passed.

While we were “waiting,” David was told that he was going to be deployed to Afghanistan in October of 2010.

 

Man you REALLY take advantage of board rules about questioning the intelligence of other posters, let me tell you that.

Now, I have offered proof of my definition of amnesty, the correct one by the way, you have offered nothing to support your definition.

 

Native Americans. I didn't like being called bigoted names when I grew up and I am white. You do not have a privilege of using bigoted/racist terms even if you think that it is okay.

What??? They certainly were not living in India. Europeans deciding what to call 2 continents does not change the fact that they were here before us. The Mohawks lived in "anowara ko'wah" and we live in "anowara ko'wah". We also live in AHTAHKAKOOP, CATAHECASSA, GOYATHLAY, and many other American Native Names.

 

sure I have.

you have to read through the thread.

 

I'm not dodging anything. I just don't think that there is any intent to do what you're saying. I think this is all about raking in illegal aliens to VOTE for Democrats. Period. And scamming us into believing they're doing this to help the soldiers. And I still don't get how soldiers who are citizens, have illegal alien relatives. Sounds strange, and improbable.

 

We all know they don't live in India, and India has nothing to do with it. They are called Indians (and the "American" adjective clarifies sufficiently). Aboriginal Americans could be a correct term, although these people are NOT originally American. They are descendants of Asians.

The one term that is clearly incorrect is "Native Americans". The term native refers to someone who was born in certain place. So "Native American" is anyone who was born in the USA. I am a Native American, since I was born in New York.

Another ridiculously misused term is "African Americans" to describe Black people. I have known only 3 Americans who came to America from Africa, and thus, can correctly be called "African Americans". All 3 are White.

 

Um not all soldiers are citizens. That isn't a requirement. One must only be a legal resident.
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However, to answer your question. Illegals sneak across border have a chils. Child grows up and joins the military. Parents still living in us illegaly. Boom us citizen with illegal immigrants in the family.

 

Who cares what the stupid word means. Cornhog is right. These are stupid, childish word games. Just get rid of every illegal alien in America, and see to it that no more come here, that's all.

Here's a poem for you >>

They get deported.
You get reported.

 

It's a SCAM to get VOTES.