"moms for liberty" makes the "hate group" list

Homeland one of those words Hitler used incessantly.

 

Just bought these patriotic socks in Berlin:

 

No.

It was deliberate.

They were just surprised by the blowback

 

False:

Homeland auf Deutsch = Heimat. Hitler did not use that word.

Vaterland does not have the same meaning or political connotation. This is why patriotic Americans never say "Fatherland" or "Motherland".

Nice try, no donut.

 

Not at all. They made made a rookie mistake -- a simple oversight they won't make again. Your prejudice is your prison.

 

Actually, "Fatherland" (Vaterland) is offered as a German translation of Homeland.
German Translation of “ homeland” | Collins English- ...

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German Translation of “ homeland” | The official Collins English-German Dictionary online. Over 100000 German translations of English words and phrases.

homeland - English translation in German

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Translation for 'homeland' using the free English-German dictionary by LANGENSCHEIDT -– with examples, synonyms and pronunciation.

 

Oh, I know exactly what a nazi is.

It never ceases to amaze me that some Righties, upon seeing their arguments sink like the Titanic, suddenly deign to be able to know exactly what a debate opponent knows or doesn't know. Such malarkey.

Better luck next time.

Hint: if your argument is based on fact, there is no need to get personal.

I graciously accept your humble concession.

 

Heimat Is The Synonym used almost exclusively for "Homeland".

But Hey, surely you have also lived 27 years in Germany and are totally fluent, so you be you. Don't let your ignorance get in your way.

LOL

 

The two dictionaries cited are the two most widely used, so I'll take them as authoritative.
I lived in Berlin for three years (1993-96), speaking, hearing and reading German daily, and have enjoyed the German language for decades before and after that. Your attempt to create an authority argument fails.

 

Kind of funny, isn't it, that the side who claims tolerance of others and that the other side is filled with hate, forms a list of what they call hate groups?

 

It is disturbing .. that so many likes came forward for this horribly illogical and nasty ideology.. dismissing the inherent free speech issue .. but completely oblivious to the Rule of Law issue .. Free speech Gaslighting .. as a deflection from the Fascist Authoritarianism on full display ... by encouraging and promoting the application of the Domestic Terrorist Label .. for those who's speech is obnoxious to the woke Joke .. generalizing the action of one extremist nutjob to all those in the group === now we have law on the basis of fallacious Utilitarianism.

So proud to be running down the path of totalitarianism .. gleefully in fact .. like children running to the ice cream stand .. .. what Mackey referred to in his book "Extra-Ordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" -the tendency of sheep to run towards the slaugher house. That to me is the disturbing Part.

 

What a poor deflection from the fact that once again you are wrong .. as evidenced by the fact that you would use a dictionary definition to begin with ... having little knowledge of language - history - culture to begin with (3 years is a joke compared to someone who Lived there -- for a colloquialism.

Thats a rather large slip of the English Language Understanding bar Jack. There is a reason why a dictionary is not used as the Textbook for Biology 100. That the term "With Child" -- does not actually mean a Child is present .. in a literal sense.

So pathetic deflection Jack -- from the obvious reality that once again you are wrong. Being wrong is one thing -- an error can be fixed. .. lack of ability to understand that one is in error is a different kettle of fish .. a much bigger problem for which the fix is far more difficult.

 

Enough of this nonsense:



"Heimat" Is BY FAR the most used word in German for Homeland. And it is the word Adolf Hitler avoided precisely because the word is supposed to not carry political overtones with it.

Your 3 years here were surely nice but obviously lacking in depth.

Better luck to you next time

 

The dictionary is linkable and checkable, so a better reference than just saying what I heard while I lived there. And you seem to have skipped over the "decades before and after" 1993-96.

 

I note you provided no link. I suspect that's because your own source will list Vaterland as an additional translation for Homeland. In 1994 I was present at the Brandenburg Gate the night the Bundeswehr marched through by torchlight to celebrate their return to Berlin after the departure of Allied forces. The crowd burst into a spontaneous rendition of the first verse of the Deutschlandlied (Deutschland uber alles). Those were not people bothered by translating Homeland as Vaterland.

 

Your expertise is questionable at best. Koke and a few more oligarchs fund them.

 

Words George.W.. Bush used also(actually, Hitler referenced it as the German Fatherland. And it far predates him in German history.). But this correction is necessary as we can't let language get butchered more then it already is.

 

I do note this movie was made in 1940, but unless one argues that the movie was made falsely, it's apparent that more than one German with a funny mustache used that wording, at least at that point of time @Statistikhengst

My point here, being that one doesn't have to be a raging racist or murderer to use that particular wording for it.

 

The 1st verse to the German National Anthem is strictly prohibited according to German Law. Had this happened, and I am quite sure it did not, then there would have been repercussions and those repercussions would have spread far and wide in the Media.

You also completely misunderstood my point. I am just so shocked. LOL

 

Still no link to your source.
No one in the crowd at the Brandenburg Gate cared in the slightest about the legal prohibition on the first verse. I was there; you were not. Did it not occur to you that the Bundeswehr marching through the Gate at night by torchlight was already pretty evocative?

 

Another story for you to chew on: Sometime later Panzer Brigade 42 hosted a social evening near Frederick the Great's summer palace, Sans Souci. Large bonfires roasting meat, horsemanship and fencing displays, etc. I had a brief conversation with the commanding Brigadier. I told him the event and the setting were redolent of an earlier era, and asked him what had changed in modern times. His reply (with a small smile): "Nothing."

 

It's an old ceremony that predates the Hitler Regime and is only used for solemn events, like when a Chancellor leaves office. The Bundeswehr also held this ceremony, called a "Zapfenstreich" in solemn unity with the USA after 911.

So, no, it is not evocative except for people really looking hard to find something evil to throw into their response.

Also, the 1st and 2nd verses to the Deutschlandlied are no longer part of the German National Anthem. The Anthem begins with the 3rd verse (and there are 4 or 5 more after that). For the purpose of education or artistic freedom one can present the first two verses but then they are not presenting the National anthem. Should one sing either the 1st or the 2nd during an official presentation of the Anthem then they can be charged under paragraph 130 and 131 of the BGB (Bürgerlichesgesetzbuch), which is the entire Constitution of Germany. I would estimate the conviction rate at over 90%. Paragraph 130-131 cover the gamut of what is called "Volksverhetzung" and prohibits the Display of anything that glorifies the NAZI era, also of defaming any minority.

What the hoes for Hitler quoted would have also resulted in an indictment in Germany.

 

There was no evil involved as far as I'm concerned, and I don't know why you would say that. It was merely a striking scene. And for the third time, those in the crowd who were within earshot of me (near the Gate) were very definitely singing the first verse lyrics, legal prohibition notwithstanding. Many others present noticed too, but there was never any legal reaction or press coverage.

There's no reason to shun the word "Fatherland." It was, after all, the centerpiece of Charles de Gaulle's preferred alternative to European integration: the "Europe of the Fatherlands."

Rather than vilify the "Moms for Liberty" you might want to take the time to learn why their movement has grown so fast and drawn in so many people who were not previously active in politics.

 

https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/...atening-rhetoric-targeting-a-school-librarian

With so much politically motivated violence occurring around the country, who is to say irresponsible comments like the ones caught on tape would not inspire someone to take action?

 

With the internet and the proliferation of trillions of comments readily available online, that produces countless "irresponsible comments" surrounding any issue coming from all sides. Perhaps it is time for you to abandon the sanctimonious hand-wringing? It is disingenuous.