Moneychangers in the Temple

No.. My heritage is Dutch and I am a Christian... I just remember that Jesus lived under hostile occupation his whole life.

 

Well, I'm 1/2 Italian, so I might have had some Roman relatives in that area back in those days.....but dont hold it against me, altho "we" are ALL guilty of killing Him. If 'we' hadn't killed Him, there would be no victory today!..

 

Gee Whiz OD... you are letting the cat out of the bag... I must admit that you are pretty sharp for such an old geezer, picking up on that '"dry 'gotcha' humor". My commendations.

 

Yeah, you 'whipper-snappers' caint pull the wool over our eyes, nor hood wink us, and for sure caint hornswaggle us'n neither!



BTW, you can tell I've been around, since they named 4 books in the NT after me! And a NT namesake of mine who couldnt control his tongue (like I can), lost his head for being too vocal...no 'tact' on his part---woulda been Banned on this forum...

 

Too Cool OD. I have to commend you again. But please lighten up on the humor... it is not a natural condition for this forum and I am laughing too heartily due to your recent postings. But do keep the level head.. you are an admirable person.

 

So you would agree that John the Baptist as well as Jesus would both be Banned from this forum?!!

 

Absolutely.... they were too radical for their era and spoke against the secular system in a way that would probably get them locked up in prison even in the society of today.

 

They were 'outlaws' in their time, and are outlaws also today.....in this world of PC

 

John the Baptist lived in the Wilderness and lived on locusts..

Jesus preached around Galilee and the Decapolis..

He was teaching Jews and Gentile how to cope with the Roman occupation.. and there 's no question he was radical.. He was teaching non violent liberation theology... as in shame your enemies.

 

And your point?

 

Does either one sound dangerous?

 

Using 'normal thinking' or after engulfing my mind with all sorts of mathematical models, and sociological studies, and various theories, and the opinions of other people Or just a straight up gut feeling?

 

I am not sure what you are driving at.. Arabs revere Jesus the Jew and he is mentioned over 30 times in the Koran... versus Mohammed being mentioned 4 times.

 

I didnt get a response from Margot on this post. Methinks she accuses the Jews for the killing of Jesus, as the 'finger on the trigger of the Roman gun that did Him in?!'

Jesus was born to die! Altho the motives of the Jewish hierarchy were wrong, 'we' who have sinned required Him to be 'our' sacrifice for 'our' sins..and therefore, 'killed' Jesus the Christ...who became 'our' sacrificial lamb for the perpetual/permanent atonement of 'our' sins,' as even 'we' may sin today.

And so, Margot, "who killed Jesus?!"

 

What I am inquiring about is the mode of thinking that you suggested "reason". Once again, you stated (in relevant part) "...it stands to reason...". So once again, I question: That means 'normal thinking'?

 

I didn't think it required a response.. in 1236 my ancestor from Rome married and English woman... one of their sons was Arcbishop of York.

The Romans administered Palestine.. they didn't care what the Jews believed as long as they behaved and paid their taxes.

The Sanhedrin demanded the death of Jesus... and..... and... so what.

 

And so, again, YOU as a sinner were not responsible for the 'why Jesus' was sent by the Father as YOUR sacrifice for YOUR sins, huh?! YOU are 'blameless' for His need to die on the cross?!!

And do you accept the NT and the 'spirit behind the scriptures?' Or are you anti-Paul, who said that "We war not against flesh & blood, but against spiritual wickedness (et al) in 'high places." I.E. is there 'spiritual enmity' between the Jews and the Muslims that follow Islam??

 

The bottom line is, are you a religious Christian as having been around religion since a child: or do you believe in a 'personal savior?' I.e., just as sin entered mankind thru Adam, if YOU were the only person on earth, would Jesus have come & died for YOUR sins? Would He have died on a cross just for YOU? Altho the grace following the cross and the gift of righteousness (right standing with God) was & has been given to millions, do YOU appropriate it to YOUR life in a personal way?

Without that personalization of the work of the cross, all else is dead religion, having no life and w/o individual salvation. Basically, one is just a Deist at best, 'hoping' for collective salvation..

 

Oh stop...

Earlier you were playing the game of blame the Jews or blame the Romans.

 

My last para crossed threads..but

I've been trying for over a yr to get some kind of a statement of faith from you, but have come up with nothing that I can put my finger on!

You seem to put your faith not so much in the divinely inspired scriptures, but in the words & writings of various men. Is your faith in those men, or in the Spirit of God that lifts from the pages of scripture to provide spiritual enlightenment to the heart of man. You say that you are a 'Christian,' but do you follow the Spirit behind His Words, or the opinions & biases of mortal men.

What is your 'faith' based upon?

 

I don't understand why you would want a statement of faith from me....

And who are these men with their words and writings that you are speaking of?

My faith is farly simple.. Trust in God's love and grace..Worship Him and be grateful.

 

And so YOU do all in respect to YOUR relationship (thru prayer, praise, rejoicing, etc) with Him? Is it a close, intimate relationship rather than a cold, distant one? I ask that because often it appears that you 'cant see the forest for the trees." You talk as an 'outsider' rather than that of being an 'insider.' Observing from a remote position rather than from that of a son. Maybe that's your distancing and buffering of your feelings & emotions from many years of being a Christian? Hopefully it's not from losing the joy of your salvation..I'm done with the 'inquisition! <wink> OD (as in OverDone)

 

I certainly don't feel like an outsider....

But... I am in the midst of studying about the 12 sons of Ishmael and their tribal descendants.

Specifically trying to identify Nehemiah's opponent, 'Geshem the Arab' .. thru Kedar.

Let me think about it an get to you later.

 

No... I wouldn't have the necessary evil to kill him.

 

Egad! You got me on a 'technicality." And so, then you are NOT seen by God as being worthy of the sacrifice of His Son---ergo, YOU are not as 'important' as Adam on an individual basis?! "Greater love has no man than to lay down his life for a friend.".....notice the 'friend' in scripture is "singular," meaning He would have done it for just 1 man (or woman)...that's a REALITY all Christians shud be aware of.