More lies about Israel and hospitals

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  1. Pisa

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    I've read the ruling and I'm acutely aware that an unlawful grab of land can be, and in this particular case was, declared perfectly valid and legitimate ex post facto. Israel can use this ruling in its favor, by the way.

    Regardless though, it's not a good idea to appeal to opinions or decisions of UN bodies right now. Their silence on murders, rapes, tortures, and hostage-taking, when those targeted happen to be Israelis, makes them irrelevant.

    UN - Unwanted Nobodies.
     
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    It's been a long time in the making. You can start with colonialism as the start of pure western evil or you could go back to the crucifixion of Christ and the Romans., before that the Greeks.

    What iDo know is that western evil is manifested in Israelis today, the hateful way their media and govt talk, they are that settler colonial state that many in the west now reject. Some of our older generation and racist anti black zionists still support colonialism, slavery, apartheid etc but they will die of old age soon.

    Gen Z knows the truth, that Israel is the final remaining piece of land owned by the west in their "scramble for Africa"
     
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    There are different forms of what can be broadly called "racism", even though it is not necessarily about race. The Greeks wrote much about the ancient Persians, but not a single line about any distinguishing physical characteristics. The Romans were even more haughty and insufferable in their attitudes towards their enemies, but despite all the hateful polemics they spew, nothing was said about the Persians with explicitly racial connotations. Yet, the Greco-Roman discourse, even against the Persians (their nemesis for almost a thousand years of history poorly taught in the west), was definitely imbued with the same kind of bigotry and intolerance that became a hallmark of western civilization down to our own time.

    The Islamophobic bigotry evident among many in the west, to be sure, is fueled further by the fact that the west had become undeniably ascendant compared to the east for a few centuries. This was then placed within the "social Darwinist" evolutionary framework constructed to justify forcible conquest, murder, mayhem and theft elsewhere (Africa, the Americas, Asia, Oceania), as things that were both natural and even progressive.

    As amazing as it seems, given the human toll of such ideas on the Jews regardless of what rendition of the Holocaust you subscribe to, such ideas are actually quite influential among both right wing American supporters of Israel and right wing Israelis as well. They have simply moved the Jews/Ashkenazim to be placed with other Europeans as their superior caste, while replacing "Muslims" as the correct object of the hatred once preached against the Jews.

    Now, in contrast to Social Darwinism and western bigotry, you have the Persian-Muslim ideas about evolution -- biological, social and spiritual. Instead of Nietzsche (who ironically picked an Iranian prophet, Zoroaster, for the title of his Thus Spoke Zarathustra) and his uberman, we have a very different conception culturally of what the ultimate uberman should entail.

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    “I died as mineral and became a plant,
    I died as plant and rose to animal,
    I died as animal and I was human,
    Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?

    Yet once more I shall die human,
    To soar with angels blessed above.
    And when I sacrifice my angel soul
    I shall become what no mind ever conceived.
    As a human, I will die once more,
    Reborn, I will with the angels soar.
    And when I let my angel body go,
    I shall be more than mortal mind can know.”
    Rumi”

    What Rumi expressed poetry, Tusi expressed in more scientific prose.
    Meet The Scholar Who Proposed The Theory of Evolution 600 Years Before Darwin Did
     
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    One thing I find curious about the Nazi mindset is the inferiority complex that ultimately finds its master race somewhat outside itself.

    You may or may not know this, but the Nazi designation for the master race was the "Aryans", which they meant wrongly to mean something like Nordics, but in actual point of fact means "Iranians.":) And as much as the issue of the origins of Ashkenazi Jews is still subject to fierce scientific debate confusing origins with later mixtures and influences, the Ashkenazi actually clearly originated in an Iranian town (situated in modern day Turkey) whose name (Ashk-e-Naz) in Persian means "soft tears."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4860683/
    Localizing Ashkenazic Jews to Primeval Villages in the Ancient Iranian Lands of Ashkenaz
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
    The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish
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    Settler-colonial societies often find it necessary to defend each other. The UK viewed their support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine as a "little loyal Jewish Ulster" at the headwaters of the Suez Canal. Today the US sees Israel as its unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East. Hopefully tomorrow will see the end of western imperialism in Palestine.
     
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    Truth
    Is like a lion, you don't have to defend it, just let it loose and it will defend itself
     
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    And from here (turkey) they spread to Ukraine and established a Jewish kingdom called Khazaria.

    Thank you. Another piece of the jigsaw.
     
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    There are ppl here that write essays that iSometimes [skim] read but yours are always a great read, humble and beautifully written.
     
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    Thanks for the kind words.
     
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    Its a city state run by terrorist, ofc Israel will prevent them from arming - and sadly the path to arms is the same for economy.

    Now if you suggest that a "peaecful" Hamas was elected and it turned violent because Israel blocked it - I would like to see some dates that support that claim. I know the opposite.

    They cant have it both ways, if they chose to live in Jihad protest ways against Israel than Israel will not sit and watch them arm....
     
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    They should have ran before IDF actually came, they had the time for it.
    They also had time with the humanitarian corridor.
    They had time right now during the 10 day cease fire.

    You are mistaken, nearly every round in Gaza started with Gazan attack
     
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    I thought you are British
    Wasn't even talking about slavery
     
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    Because the part that obligated the Palestinian side is also not fulfilled, I think its the "right" of Israel to exist. the "right" is what they cannot accept to.

    Yes I have serious doubts that Israel intends on cleansing Gaza and the WB from Muslims.
     
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    And the NUMBER of deaths is reported by whom? Yes I think the number of complaints is anti semitism on the part of Hamas.
     
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    I don't know. As I said, I can't watch internet videos. But if former Israeli prime minister believes Hamas then I would call him whatever you think I called him.
     
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    But you reject the existence of the country that supposed to be open for them so it wont be a prison anymore, or are you trying to argue Israel to commit suicide ?
     
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    I agree. That is why Hamas has to be destroyed. It isn't pretty. For Israel it isn't a matter of reputation. It is a matter of life or death.
     
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    Exactly, we'll do what we must even if the whole world turn against us.
    This is the new independence war for Israelis.
     
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    You are quibbling about the number of deaths..

    Isn't that what Holocaust deniers are accused of?
     
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    What is that supposed to mean and is it even possible without the support of USA (whom you're now stating that you don't need)?
     
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    "Ashkenazi" is Hebrew for "German." When Charlemagne established the Holy Roman Empire in 800 he invited Jews to move to Germany to administer it. Jews were chosen because even back then they had a reputation for intelligence and education. That is why Yiddish is a combination of Hebrew and German, rather than Hebrew and another language.
     
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    So this topic is about Israel and lies, ok here's a good one: Hamas = Nazis (as if the Nazis were the ones kept in a concentration camp for 75 years).

    As Norman Finkelstein (son of Holocaust survivors and a world renowned scholar of palestine/Israel conflict) puts it : my parents would have wanted every last german slaughtered and I understand hamas' sentiment . Or words to that effect..
     
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    For anybody who doesn't know Mr Finkelstein I dare you to watch his famous (brief) speech and not be overcome with emotion:

     
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    Where have I rejected Israel? If Gaza is supposed to be part of Israel then treat all Gazans like Israeli citizens. If there are a couple of murderers in Tel Aviv, does Israel imprison the whole of Tel Aviv or does it try and catch the murderers? The UK did not imprison the Catholic community in Belfast during the IRA conflict and we had thousands of murders by the IRA
     
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    The narrative you have been exposed to, along with arguably much more convincing ones, is summarized in the chart I posted. But if you are so insistent on claiming them, fine. All yours.:) Take them back to their fatherland in Germany and next time take better care of your masters.
     
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