More lies about Israel and hospitals

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  1. fmw

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    What does quibble mean? My point is that these "statistics" come from a terrorist group and should not be believed. Therefore they are most likely inflated. Find another source if you can.
     
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    Questioning the number of palestinian civilians that have died is irrelevant, we all see the death and destruction inflicted upon Gaza. Denying the numbers is akin to Holocaust denial. Disgusting.
     
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    Ashkenazi does not mean German in Hebrew, all it was is a suggestion that Germany may be Ashkenaz purely on the basis that Ashkenaz inhabited Germany in 1800)

    Iranian monitor is correct in that the origin is Assyrian/Persian and only later became known as German (as your source itself explains).

    Let's learn together and cut out the contrary nonesense.

    This most likely suggests the pattern of movement of the Ashkenazi, up from Iran, into turkey then the conversion to Judaism in Khazaria and from here spreading across to Germany where they finally settled and developed Yiddish but kept their Khazaria traditions (polish apparel and religion).

    So, basically nowhere near Israel. You must be thinking of the Sephardi Jews who were actually in Israel but sent into exile by the Romans at the request of the Spaniards whom took the royal family of Judah into their counsel.
     
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    Thanks for the response.
     
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    Eastern and northeastern parts of Anatolia is considered part of ancient Iran in an ethno-geographic sense. As for the Assyrians, they were not necessarily related to the Ashkenazi Jews but merely influenced the Biblical reference that referred to the Ashkenazi by the name given to refer to the Scythians. The Scythians spoke what is considered an Iranian language but descriptions given to them by ancient sources suggests they were probably descendants of present-day Slavic people.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians
     
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    Had Israel declared its borders in 1967?
    It would have been difficult for Arabs to recognize a Jewish state without knowing how far that state extended.
     
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    I am sympathetic about Israeli attitudes toward Palestinians.
     
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    Gaza is a prison run by Israel.

    You can't claim it is a "city state" when people can not come and go, export goods, fish their waters, etc., due to the rule of an authority in which they have ZERO representation.

    This is an extreme version of what motivated the American Revolution, where representation and trade freedom were denied - as our fundamental human rights were denied in those ways.

    Palestine has FAR more reason to revolt than America ever did. How can we read our own founding documents and then support the decades of war Israel wages against Gaza?
     
  10. Iranian Monitor

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    Let me guess: because the Palestinians are the real "Semites", Ashkenazi Jews are actually "German Aryans", and you agree with the Nazis in principle: killing Semites is cool!

    Honestly, WTF is wrong with you? Forget citing chapter and verse from Mein Kompf. Or repeating far right pro Israel talking points. Just spill out the real reason for all this hatred so we can see if there is a cure?
     
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    There are too many people on earth for me to care about all of them, or even most of them. I care about people I identify with. The Israelis are people like me. The Palestinians are not.

    Although I am not Jewish I have liked and admired Jews all my life. I want Jews to be safe everywhere they choose to live.

    Reading the Bible nine times in eight English translations has enhanced my esteem for the Jews. For Jews occupation of the land of Israel is as important as personal salvation is for Christians.

    I do not keep a kosher kitchen. Nevertheless, I look for kosher certified foods whenever I buy food. Nearly all detergents are kosher certified.
     
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    Hypothetical here: would you still love and pray for the Jews and Israel if you found out that the biblical Jews were entirely a Black ppl?
     
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    In one sense, I have to thank you for responding honestly without polemics. I personally feel you should travel more. I feel that travel will go a long way to offer the cure I was alluding to.
    In another sense, while it is perfectly normal to identify with people who you feel are more like yourself, I'm not sure that it is normal to identify even with their evil deeds. Your comments, in any case, provide me an occasion to introduce you to this Persian verse:
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    that's so sad to hear. iPray for you.
     
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    That is a pretty silly question.

    I like Negroes who behave well. I do not make excuses for them when they do not.
     
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    The Koran, Surah XXI Not a township believed of those which We destroyed...

    And their crying ceased not until we made them as reaped corn, extinct.
     
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    I am confident that nearly everyone feels the same way I do. I am honest about it.
     
  18. Iranian Monitor

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    If I were you, I wouldn't take as much interest in (esp. selective) excerpts from ancient scriptures. Regardless which of these scripture have your misguided allegiance.

    "The Retreat of the Drunkards" by Ayatollah Khomeini
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    https://www.al-islam.org/wine-love-mystical-poetry-imam-khomeini/ghazal-poetry
     
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    True or False?

    "A little while ago, several very loud air strikes and huge plumes of smoke could be seen rising high into the sky above the north of the Gaza Strip.

    "We’ve also seen and heard rockets fired from inside Gaza towards Israel, with white trails and smoke clearly visible in the sky from the Iron Dome interceptions."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67584895
     
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    It is without doubt that the Jews deported 100.000's of civilians for the sake to thieve the lands. The parents of the leader of Hamas are among the victims of this fascist and racist way that the Jews unleashed all over Israel. And instead of inheriting the real estate of his parents and become a peaceful civilian to contribute to society, the Jews locked him up in Gaza to die in severe poverty without any kind of prospects for him, his family and the millions of people who live around him because of the sole reason that he aint a Jew. The Jews created all of this for the sake to thieve property based on race.
     
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    Your comparing Palestinians of today with the Jews during the nazi era.
    Nice.
     
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    When land gets governed in some way to than get governed an other way has zero impact in ownership of private real estate. So yeah, Palestinians owned that property when governed by the Ottoman empire, and Palestinians still owned it when that they got governed by the UK. And than the Jews ethnic cleansed them and thieved their properties on a massive scale when governed by Israel.
     
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    Point is that all we get to see is a tunnel, and Barak says Israel build tunnels as well as bunkers under that complex.
    And the "fact" he is a bald face liar is based on what? Because you disagree but got nothing to prove?
    It's quiet amusing you're trying to sell me that your word is as good as that of Barak.
     
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    I don't see you disputing my previous post of how the Jewish state is far worse then Hamas.
     
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    Thanks for responding so fully.
    Re:
    First of all Wikipedia is heavily biased in favor of Israel due to the influence of Israel's paid, trained and scripted Hasbara advocates, (1), (2)
    Even Wikipedia admits that it is unreliable.

    Secondly, even Israeli officials admit that "Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation." (3) and Israel's attempt to cause civil war among the Palestinians simply backfired (aka "hoisted with his own petard" as per "Hamlet")

    Re:
    As you know, the conflict between Palestine's native residents and militant Zionists didn't start on 7 October. It began with the Nakba, the terrorizing of those same Palestinians, destruction of over 500 Palestinian towns and villages and the herding of Palestinians into a walled open air prison.

    What did Israelis expect when they've herded 2.2 million people into a combination pressure cooker, open air prison and weapons laboratory(4) where children are shot "for fun". (5)

    The solution to reducing civilian deaths is to stop killing them via bombs, dehydration, exposure, starvation and illegal weapons experimentation.
    Briefly put, Gaza is so overcrowded because of the ongoing Nakba that Hamas can go few places where there are no civilians.

    Continuing this "war" against an illegally occupied people with no Army, Navy, Air Force or Iron Dome is only going to make Israel less secure and sure to further inflame the region when the world's 2.3 billion Muslims are more united than ever and meeting with China and Russia for more sophisticated weaponry.
    American G.I.s in the region have already died because AIPAC & etc dominate US Middle East policy and loyal Americans have no stomach for fighting another, far deadlier war to appease AIPAC & etc. That, too, will incite more anti Israel / anti Jewish sentiment.

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

    If Israel continues its genocidal foray into grossly overcrowded southern Gaza, it will only dig a deeper grave for itself and Jews around the world.
    That is something I do not want to see for you or anyone else.

    Thanks,





    (1). “
    Zionist Control of WikiPedia
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

    EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites.

    This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED


    (2). "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY


    (3). “BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT”

    "Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group."

    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

    EXCERPT “ Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

    “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

    “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009.” CONTINUED


    (4). “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population

    https://www.wrmea.org/2013-septembe...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

    EXCERPT "“The Lab,” which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars, is due to premiere in the U.S. in August. Directed by Yotam Feldman, the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.

    The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.

    The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank."CONTINUED


    (5). “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
    https://kalamu.com/neogriot/2014/09...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/
     
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