More lies about Israel and hospitals

I didn't say that. But since you started this now:
Your call that Jews are better than other ethnicities is just racist and based on old racist tropes form the nazi era where it was said that the Aryan race was superior.
The world can do with less Kissingers, whose idea's got millions of people killed and rivals Hitler.
The world can do with less Epsteins, who manipulated 100's around to support his pedophilic sex ring.
The world can do with less Bernard Madoffs, who stole by far the most money.

While as a whole there is nothing to be proud about that the only Jewish nation is the most condemned nation on the planet for their ongoing war criminal ways of being the violent oppressor and colonizer of state of Palestine, which is racially and religiously motivated. The world can do with less of that too.

 

You mentioned the "scramble for Africa" so I thought it would be noteworthy to mention that Islam is the world's fastest growing religion and Africa is where Islam is growing the fastest.
Because of that, the West may not have as much success in Africa as expected.

As the Islamic world is more united than ever and meeting with the Chinese and Russia, I'm afraid that today's Gaza Genocide may be the same spark as events in Sarajevo were in the early 1900s.

Thanks,

 

Here is an idea that you should then have no problems endorsing and which will have a lot of takers in Israel too: offer them US citizenship and a part of the billions of dollars the US doles out to Israel each year as an investment fund for the Jews who emigrate to the US. In return for the automatic right to US citizenship and money, Israel would become an official US protectorate within the confines and boundaries of the 1948 UN partition plan...

 

It's called a hypothetical question. It was you whom professed his unconditional love for biblical Israel. Would that still be the case if you found out that the so called African American taken into captivity in America were the biblical Jews?

 

Point is that Hamas has already stated that they have over 300 miles of tunnels under Gaza, Including the Hospital. See cite below. Do a simple Google search and you'll find many more MSM cited articles for the tunnels that Hamas has built by their own admission. So, yes, I say that he is a bald faced liar, and stand by that assertion.

https://news.wgcu.org/2023-11-02/the-hamas-tunnels-a-wildcard-in-the-gaza-fighting

 

You mean, Israel claims they did that under the hospital, while Barak says it was build by Israel itself. Israel has failed to prove what was build by Hamas and failed to prove there is some kind of command center underneath it by only showing some small arms and 3 laptops as "evidence" they could just have planted.

 

Koran Surah V 33 The only reward for those who make war upon Allah and his messenger [Mohammed] and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternative sides cut off...

Surah IX 5 Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare each ambush...

Surah IX 123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you...

 

It seems reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

 

That depends on whose side you are on. I am on the side of Israel. I want the Children of Israel to live peacefully and prosperously in the land God gave them.

 

I am reading from a translation of the Koran by Marmaduke Pickthall. He was an English convert to Islam.

 

It doesn't matter if you were reading from the original Arabic. It is still ancient scripture.

 

You sound like ISIS who also think they got some divine right at the expense of others. There is no such right, and the way Jews demand by the barrel of their massive guns to go colonize an other country, is just sheer colonialism and a war crime. A demand that war criminality leads to peace is just the dumbest thing ever.

 

In your link all I see is that someone claimed that Hamas claim there are 300 miles of tunnels. Where's the evidence directly from Hamas?

 

I expect Muslims to take the Koran seriously and to obey it.

 

In the off chance you have a serious interest to learn, and not merely to spew hatred, let me share with you a few points that might enlighten you on this issue.

1. Until relatively recently (20th century), literacy was largely the province of a select few. And if scripture was read out to the masses in whatever 'congregation', it was the verses that fit the narrative intended to be promoted by that rendition that the people were exposed to.
2. The Koran is written and read out in Arabic, a language that isn't and wasn't comprehensible to the Persian public. Until relatively recently, to even translate the Koran to another language was considered borderline sinful.
3. Iran is a predominately Shia country, where it is particularly deemed impermissible for untrained laymen to try to read and interpret scripture. In this the Shia are kind of like the Catholics, with a clerical hierarchy of sorts, except our "Popes" (the Shia Imams) have been long dead and the last one (many centuries ago) went into "occultation".
4. In the absence of our Imams, we have clerics trained in philosophy, jurisprudence, etc who follow a curriculum of study to become "mujtahids", where among them each is supposed to be expert in the Koran, the Hadith, using reason to discern the inner truths of religious edicts, understanding that the expression of such truths are largely subjective relative to time and place and circumstance. The most learned Mujtahids in the Shia tradition become Ayatollahs (each with absolute academic freedom to issue his own edicts) and the most popular among them (with the largest following) become Grand Ayatollahs. Islamic edicts in the Shia tradition are whatever a consensus of these Ayatollahs hold out to be, regardless how anyone else might interpret scripture.
5. The "Bible" of the Iranians are our poets and their works: Ferdowsi's epic Shahnameh for our pre-modern understanding of our history, culture, and heritage. The works of great Persian Sufi mystical poets, Rumi and Hafez in particular, for the essence of our cultural spirit along with the poet Saadi for our ethics. Unlike verses from the Koran, the rhythmic verses of Persian poetry were memorized, recited, and understood by even the illiterate masses.
   
6. While the above is most applicable to Iran, Persianate culture was the dominant culture of even the major Sunni Muslim empires until the advent of westernization. It is the ISIS/AQ Wahabbi crowd, looking to 'cleanse' Islam of its Persian influences, to return it to its true, pristine, Arabian origins, that you might find folks familiar with and interested in the verses you like to cite.

 

Yes, you have the right to believe that Israel/Zionists/Jews controls Wikipedia, but I have the right to believe (based of personal experience) that everyone - Jew or not Jews can change Wikipedia contents.
The site you showed in (2) is not working - and you have right to believe that Israel/Zionists/Jews destroyed the only site who dared to write the truth.

Yes, the conflict began more than 70 years ago with what Palestinians call 'Nakba' and what Israel call 'independence war'. How it started? UN declared division of Palestine on Jewish and Arab parts - Jews accepted UN resolution but Arabs rejected and attacked Israel: Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and local Palestinians attacked Israel. Jews expelled some Arabs from conquered territories, Arabs expelled ALL Jews from conquered territories. In total: about 700 thousands Palestinians were expelled or run away. About 900 thousands Jews were expelled/run away from Arab countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

After WWII there were many populations movements and millions of refugees: Soviet Union and Eastern countries expelled millions of Germans, Millions of Poles left Soviet Union to Poland, during Revival Process in Bulgaria over 300 thousands Bulgarians Turks fled Bulgaria, millions of people became refugees during India-Pakistan war and 700 thousand Palestinians became refugees.
Did you notice something strange? What happened to all these refugees? Well, today only Palestinian refugees reminded. Why? Because for some strange reasons Germany, Poland, Turkey, India, Pakistan and some other country I forgot to mentioned decided to help refugees. How? By giving them citizenship, work permit and freedom to move. Only Arab countries refused to do it. Why? I don't know. I don't think Arabs countries could foresee what Palestinians will do in Jordan in 1970:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September
or what whey will do in Lebanon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War
or how they will thank Kuwait for hospitality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodus_from_Kuwait_(1990–91)

Did Israel herded Palestinians into a walled open air prison? Absolutely not. Israel left Gaza in 2005 and Palestinians in democratic elections elected government they deserve. How Hamas government took care of Palestinian population? Today in Gaza there is no enough water, no enough food, no enough medicine, but Palestinians have HUGE amount of missiles and even today they are shooting missiles on Israel.

I hope you are joking. No other country would "turn the other cheek" after an attack which killed 1200 its own citizens and kidnapped over 200 - just look on the US response after 9/11. My question was how to punish terrorist group which attack Israel, and whose leader want to repeat it:


So how to punish this organization without hurting innocent civilians? I am sure you know that Hamas keeps ammunition storages, offices, entries to underground tunnels in regular buildings where civilian live. Do you have any solution?

 

Ah. MEMRI tv, the propaganda from of the ex-Mossad, who got a habit of spreading misinformation about Arabs due to it's fanatic racist nature.

 

I love you definition of 'propaganda'! I see all true information you don't like is 'propaganda'.
BTW - I think my bank uses propaganda too - they spread propaganda I own them some money!

 

MUTIPLE MSM outlets are reporting the same information. Hamas is saying the tunnels were constructed by them as they reported to MSM outlets. What the hell will it take for you to accept this fact?

 

Oh hell yes, Israel planted everything. They did it to make Hamas look bad. The arms, the laptops, even the video showing hostages being taken into the hospital was planted by Israel. You win.

 

I hope that in the future you will quote me accurately.

I did not say that: "Israel/Zionists/Jews controls Wikipedia," I said that: "Wikipedia is heavily biased in favor of Israel due to the influence of Israel's paid, trained and scripted Hasbara advocates," there's a big difference between "control" Wikipedia and "dominate" Wikipedia and I'll be happy to support that fact with more sources (1), (2) that haven't been censored.

Even Wikipedia admits that it is unreliable and not accepted in many schools and universities:

"Because Wikipedia cannot be considered a reliable source, the use of Wikipedia is not accepted in many schools and universities in writing a formal paper, and some educational institutions have banned it as a primary source while others have limited its use to only a pointer to external sources."
https://www.google.com/search?clien...dia+is+unreliable&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#cobssid=s

Since virtually everything you have cited has been from an unreliable pro Israel source, I cannot take it seriously.

Israel only exists today because of the machinations of foreign, colonial powers and influential Zionist lobbies around the world.

The root of the current conflict is largely due to the abrogation of the McMahon Agreement(3) in favor of the foreign imposed Balfour declaration which took over half of the same Palestine that was promised to the Arabs for fighting the Ottomans and gave it to militant Jews and foreign Zionist terrorist gangs.
Of course Palestine's native residents resented the theft of half of their land that you regard as an "offer" in 1948. Earlier, the invasion of Nazi trained and armed(4) Zionist terrorist gangs began their genocidal agenda by destroying over 500 Palestinian towns and villages while they tortured, raped and mutilated Palestinian men, women and children along the way.

There's really no way that you can sugar coat what is the oldest and most brutal foreign funded occupation in modern history.

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Again, I never suggested that "Israel should turn the other cheek"

I wrote: "Continuing this "war" against an illegally occupied people with no Army, Navy, Air Force or Iron Dome is only going to make Israel less secure and sure to further inflame the region..." and I stand by that prediction. If nothing else, Israel's indiscriminate and genocidal foray into Gaza has served to recruit a countless number of resistance fighters for Hamas and / or the next resistance group to take its place.

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Yes, I already wrote what is the only solution and that is to stop IDF's genocidal misadventure that will only further inflame the region and allow AIPAC & etc to send more American G.I.s to die fighting to preserve a genocidal agenda and Israel's nuclear regional hegemony.

They've done it before and they'll do it again.

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003




(1). "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen.

Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED


(2) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED


(3). "The McMahon Agreement"
http://www.historylearningsite.co.u...ddle-east-1917-to-1973/the-mcmahon-agreement/

EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED


(4). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21
In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

 

Interesting. Hypothetical question: would you still want the Children of Israel to live peacefully and prosperously in the land God gave them if you found out biblical Jews were a black ppl?

 

And yet still no direct quote......

And here we have the safe zone in Southern Gaza, where Israel told Gazans to go to if they want to remain safe:


Isn't it good of Israel to give Gazans a leaflet showing a QR code on where to go if they don't want to be blown up into pieces! Of course they will all know what a QR code is and they all have mobile phones that can pick up a signal and have enough charge.

Slaughter of Palestinian civilians continues - the whole aim of Israel to kill all Palestinians who remain in Gaza

 

We all know what his truthful answer would be........