more than $1Billion more taxpayer dollars to solar firms net 52 permanent jobs

it is too funny. The liberals are just out of control making up their own facts. How hard is it to admit their guy is a total failure? Who cares? Toss him out and find another liberal to try and get elected.

 

Since when were solar panels essential?

 

Renewables are, technology advances in stages. Solar can be huuuuuge is the SW

 

I think they've made big investments thinking they were getting in on the ground floor. The are in denial that the elevator only goes down from there. Desperately clinging to their hope, change and green profits. Sorry, they lose.

 

They aren't. German solar power comes in at $.35 a kWh, where I live it's $.08 a kWh.

 

Uncle Ferd wonderin' how much dat works out per job?...

... he be willin' to stay home fer half dat...

... an' save `em some money dey can use to pay off the deficit.

 

At what cost?

Germany € 0.2671 =.....$ 0.3624 USD per kWh
Spain € 0.2013 =..........$ 0.2731 USD per kWh
So Cal Edison................$ 0.08 per kWh

http://www.energy.eu/

Both Germany and Spain have aggressive solar programs. Even with huge subsidies look at how expensive it is. What abject foolishness.

 

If we could get some competent investigation of this administration, they'd all be in jail right now.

 

Should we get rid of the highways since they require subsidies and create no permanent jobs except govt ones?

 

What a dopey conspiracy....

Ooooh if only the GOP wasn't so incompetent lmao

 

Electricity prices in Germany are nearly 4X higher then where I live. Your post is just a dodge.

 

my post is the bottom line. lol if horses were cheaper here would that justify not building paved roads?

 

Its government theft plain and simple.

 

That would be 900 construction jobs, 50 full time, and then add in the jobs for building the panels and all the jobs added for the spending from those positions.

And then have Uncle Fred calculate the cost savings of providing virutally free electricity to 74,000 homes over the next twenty years compared to the costs of generating the power for fuel driven generators they are replacing.

Uncle Fred will probably see the $1 billion guarantee is a (*)(*)(*)(*) good deal and we should be doing a lot more of it.

 

Actually many libs hate highways and are trying to replace them with mass transit light rail whenever possible.

I think we can agree that highways are needed.

And at the end of the day they are public property.

It's our money and our road.

Obama OTOH in the true spirit of a central planning fascist is giving taxpayer dollars to private individuals and companies.

That's known as crony capitalism when the lucky few are also political supporters and campaign contributors to President Zero.

 

No burning in hell lady, it is merely misguided good intentions.

How could Obama & Biden and all the Ivy League BA-majors know about the science of photovoltaics vs solar thermal steam? Two completely different sources of solar energy.

Whereas photovoltaics eek out wavering paltry amounts of current, solar thermal steam runs huge turbines, just like nuclear or coal plants.

At night, heat is stored in molten salt tanks for that lowest-use time or you merely set up your solar thermal plant next to a coal one and only use coal as a backup. You reduce your carbon footprint by about 90% and you have reliable power 24/7 on par with a nuclear plant.

Without all that pesky birth-defects for 24,000 years problem you have when just one mishap results in a meltdown.

So there's solar and there's solar. Be sure to be specific about which one you're talking about. Solar thermal uses powerful focusing reflectors or lenses that are so hot that they can cut through steel. So they have to elevate the steam pipe high enough that it isn't damaged by the intensity [just think frying ants under a magnifying glass..old technology ]. As time goes on and materials around the steam pipe are improved, they can take the temperature from the superheated steam created now [around 300C] and make it even higher by bringing the tube closer.

The plants are cheap and easy to construct. The demonstration-plant below in Bakersfield, CA at 5MW was set up in just 7 months:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3lWzZGEmbE"]AREVA's Kimberlina Solar Thermal Power Plant - YouTube[/ame]

 

There's an oil pipeline from Canada that will produce 1,300 construction jobs and and tens of thousands of secondary jobs that put Obama's feeble efforts at job creation to shame.

 

So do both.

 

Obama just can't seem to make up his mind about the pipeline.

 

Look at the top of the page. "Fracking" is going to destroy the aquifer we rely on for crops. It will. There will be that sad day when we hear on the news: "major breach in fracking containment pollutes Ogallala Aquifer..scientists took several test samples from wells across the Midwest and found poisonous levels of..."

Mark my words. Why not just use our ample coal as a backup for solar thermal and just geothermal for 24/7 around Yellowstone, Cascades and Sierra Nevada hot springs. There's enough steam to replace all the energy needs we have. Steam turbines are amazing power plants.. We'd reduce our carbon footprint by 90% and thrust our economy back to the top with these cheap & easy sources of steam.

 

dopey, nobody is picking one or the other

and electricity isnt? besides if they were the private sector would ahve built them....isnt that the argument?
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And at the end of the day they are public property.

It's our money and our road.

Obama OTOH in the true spirit of a central planning fascist is giving taxpayer dollars to private individuals and companies.

That's known as crony capitalism when the lucky few are also political supporters and campaign contributors to President Zero.[/QUOTE]

it was a loan that went bad.....possibly because of fraud.

youre just looking for partisan attacks

 

construction jbos dont count, those are "temporary"

 

And at the end of the day they are public property.

It's our money and our road.

Obama OTOH in the true spirit of a central planning fascist is giving taxpayer dollars to private individuals and companies.

That's known as crony capitalism when the lucky few are also political supporters and campaign contributors to President Zero.[/QUOTE]

it was a loan that went bad.....possibly because of fraud.

youre just looking for partisan attacks[/QUOTE]

You obviously have never heard of Smart Growth which among other things is dedicated to discouraging urban sprawl by NOT building enough roads to meet the demand.

It was a loan that Obama knew would go bad while he was doing it.

 

Tell it to, Obama....

 

Then Obama should shut up about all those shovel ready jobs he wants to throw taxpayer money at?