Mormon church opposes federal LGBTQ nondiscrimination measure

You want to be free to discriminate?

 

It doesn’t get me through anything — it’s just sad how completely devoid of basic integrity some posters here have regarding their views. You want religious “freedom” to overrule the freedoms and happiness of others but only the religious beliefs that you deem valid. You are no better than the people that scream black people cannot be racist even when they are torturing mentally handicap white children because of their color.

And when confronted with those positions switching the race orientation, you simply ignore the original premise as “not valid”. This is why your views will eventually lose out, they are based on hate — not principle. All you would have had to do is answer yes to the first two questions and your beliefs would have at least been consistent (although still absurd), but here we are.

 

The answer is simple--obey the law or be prepared to suffer the consequences.

No sale. If you don't want to serve the public per your business license, do something else for a living.

If you don't want to rent to protected classes of persons, get out of the rental business.

 

How about just getting rid of state marriage? Citizens can arrange their personal affairs in a manner that suits them.

As to your second point, we agree.

 

I’ll go one further and say we can even do away with the civil unions.

 

But he was saying you were complaining about “refusing service because of a hat.”

 

Take religion out of it: nobody should be compelled to provide any service for any reason.

 

It's not at all that simple when it comes to religion. Obey the law or obey God? How many would say obey the law?

As for your "do something else for a living", you have whole swarms of leftists trying to get conservatives and Christians fired or run out of business no matter what it is they do. One guy was being hounded for his conservative views who is an EMT in a small town, one of only TWO. If he lost his job, the town wouldn't have an ambulance. Another group is trying to get Mastercard not to do business with conservatives and conservative groups. So no, it's not a simple matter at all. It's coming down to a question of whether we have the right to be Christian in this country that was founded by Christians as a Christian country.

 

The Mormons don't want to be forced to hire lgbt people within their institutions, and they want to protect the right to express their views. That's what this is actually about, not the tangent you've gone about.

 

Gay people tried to let you keep your precious word “marriage” with your 50% divorce rate and a term that was stolen from ancient pagan rituals for the transfer of the bride to her husband — but the religious revolted at same sex civil unions and marriage like contracts.

You started the battle but destroyed your narrative in the course of the war.

We will share marriage. Thanks to the hatred of the evangelicals. So thanks I guess?

 

Feel free to get back to us when you can find your integrity.

Kthanks

 

Well, what would you like to see, something more like China?

 

Unless conservatives have a tad more integrity there then they do here, if not them no, not really.

 

What I'm asking is if you think the state should have an approximate level of authority over religious institutions.

 

No, religious institutions should be exempt as long as they do not insert themselves (on an institutional level) into politics. Once they decide to do so they should be treated as a business.

 

So gays can marry, and the term “marriage” is cheapened. Soon we’ll have bigamy, and “marriage” will be meaningless.

Liberals ruin everything.

 

How is marriage cheapened just because gays can marry? Has your marriage been affected in some way because a gay couple can get married?

 

Um...nobody says they don't have a right to work, education etc.

Your article is about Churches opposing it, because the bill is broad and includes no protections for religious insitutions. The 1st Amendment still exist, the left can't get around that. The concerns the article outlines is in the hiring practices of Churches as it relates to homosexuality, that some still consider a sin.

 

I agree, and that also includes Mormons. A Mormon church shouldn't be forced to go against their deeply held faith. They have a right to have their faith in the United States, and shouldn't be discriminated against

 

If you don't want to live by the rules set out for business licenses, do something else for a living.

 

No legitimate employer needs to be even asking about sexual orientation. If you you go into your interview as an activist LGBT, I can see someone not getting a job simply because an activist is a lot of work to be around. Just like if your go to an interview thumping a bible, who would hire them.

 

Or a right to a business license. If you operate your business contrary to public policy--your restaurant violates health laws, your store sells liquor to children, you offer medical care without a license, and on and on--you can lose your business license. That you write "Adam loves Steve" on a wedding cake if you write anything on a wedding cakes you sell can be a condition for a retail bakery license.

So you say.

 

Does a restaurant have the right to refuse service to someone who smells so bad it puts other customers off their food? How about bikers wearing Hell's Angels jackets?

 

This is simply, not true, as Obama & Dems worked hard to make sure people get to walk into an interview, bragging, about being an activist LGBT ... so ... to not only get, hired, but then be allowed to control the workplace solely because of being an LGBT:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ama-administrations-record-and-lgbt-community