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Mormon church opposes federal LGBTQ nondiscrimination measure

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronstar, May 13, 2019.

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Not in my opinion. I want business licenses for restaurants, and I want health inspectors doing regular checks.
    Why would you think I assume all laws are good or moral?
     
    LangleyMan, May 14, 2019
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    Sure the Free Exercise Clause isn't absolute...the current test is the Smith Test....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Division_v._Smith

    But there are two parts to the Free Exercise Clause....the freedom to believe, and the freedom to act...Smith outlines the freedom to act, which is not absolute...but the freedom to believe is absolute.....as Justice Warren declared in Braunfeld v. Brown. The Govt can forbid polygamy, and the uses of drugs....because they are generally applicable laws. The issue the article discusses, are Churches saying we can't be forced to hire someone we don't want to hire, because of our beliefs.
     
    struth, May 14, 2019
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  3. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure, if you think I am wrong, you would support a carve out exempting religious institutions. You will not support a carve out because the ONLY reason for this bill is to attack religious institutions. It is a full frontal attack against freedom of religion. Prove me wrong.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Because your only defense is that the law says so.

    You support discrimination by government and violations of human rights, no problem.
     
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  5. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    I taught high school for three decades. Three guesses what I would do with a teacher who showed up wearing a NAMBLA shirt, and the first two guesses don't count.
    Rights have limits, including religious rights.
     
    LangleyMan, May 14, 2019
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  6. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Who says!
    That's your opinion.
     
    LangleyMan, May 14, 2019
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  7. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No thanks.
     
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    When marriage is between a man and a woman, it’s special. When we open it up to any other combination of humanity, it becomes watered down.
     
    Texas Republican, May 14, 2019
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No you say and it is fact not opinion
     
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    Yeah I was just talking about the specific case he brought up.

    I'd agree on optional services like bakers and candlestick makers, but not with regards to public services, things like renting/buying a home, etc.

    No criteria for rentals should apply except the same ones that apply to everyone else.
     
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  11. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And the argument is about what and where those limits are.
     
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    Of course.

    If I was renting out a property I would certainly discriminate against people who don't pay their bills and drug addicts.
     
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    What nonsense.

    Just more leftist "equality of outcome" idiocy.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not?
     
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    How so? How has allowing gays to marry affected YOUR marriage? Is your marriage to your wife no longer special because people you don't know got married? Curious, prior to gays being allowed to marry, did the high divorce rate make marriage less special? Prior to gays being allowed to marry, did cheating spouses make marriage less special?
     
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    it's already illegal to discriminate, no need to list all the 'types' in a regulatory way... flipside is, private clubs, such as religious organizations, shouldn't be forced into allowing 'non-beleivers' into their inner circles... why do your kind refuse to recognize the 'rights' of straight folks, you're forcing them to allow non-straight people to socialize with them...

    laws are double, sometimes triple edged swords... no one should get 'special' rights over anyone else...
     
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    No, I'm afraid it's not a weak argument at all. It is the only correct argument.

    People are only equal under a system of equal opportunity, where the system applies objective rights instead of subjective rights.

    To have a system of equal opportunity, all people are treated exactly the same according to their own individual abilities.

    What the left wants is equality of outcome, which is, of course, impossible.
     
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  18. LangleyMan

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    Makes sense, doesn't it?
    Yep. I should be able to suggest I want to have sex with three wives. The government (and my wife) get to insist I only have one wife. Same with drugs.
    Would the same rules apply to any business? Are churches extended more rights by virtue of the Constitution? I think they are, but is there any restriction on who they hire and fire?
     
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    On the other hand, Steven Hawking got up and went to work every day.

    No one deserves to be unfairly discriminated against.
     
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  20. LangleyMan

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    Well, then starve.

    You want to operate a restaurant and don't want to live with health inspections? Too bad. You want to operate a health care clinic without licensed doctors and nurses? Too bad.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a great argument.

    Leftists wanting a gay wedding cake and health inspections are now synonymous.
     
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  22. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    You seem to confuse your opinion with fact.
     
    LangleyMan, May 14, 2019
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  23. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Indeed.
     
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  24. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    How about homosexuals?
     
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    No I do not I got it right
     
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