MP's pay hikes

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  1. Uncle Meat

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    Yep, that's true.

    However, to suggest that Unionism "only causes competition between workers while devaluing the currency" is quite ludicrous.
     
  2. aussiefree2ride

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    Rates of pay are a simple matter of supply and demand. The work I do commands good money. If companies want the job done, they have to pay.
     
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    Unions are known for corruption. I`m surprised that anyone can`t see that if everyone gets a wage rise, no one is better off, while the unions skim the cream off the top, and our international competitiveness is eroded.
     
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    Yes, some Unions are corrupt. I'm certainly not going to argue against that.

    However, they aren't all corrupt: many of them do very good work.

    Moreover, wage rises are not the only thing they negotiate (remember that when you take a day or two off for Christmas, or you take sick leave, or decide to go on annual leave).

    How do you think Unions involved in Good Faith Bargaining and Collective (Enterprise) Agreements are causing "competition between workers"?
     
  5. aussiefree2ride

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    How do you think Unions involved in Good Faith Bargaining and Collective (Enterprise) Agreements are causing "competition between workers"?

    How can anyone not see wage rises for what they are? If the butcher & the baker put their prices up, the candle stick maker has to follow suit to keep up. The only winners are their unions, skimming off from all of them.
     
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    You make it sound too easy.

    The reason you must be on a good wicket is because there must be a shortage of skilled people in your industry, and thats why the companies are prepared to pay so much (top dollar).

    If there was an obundance of people in your industry with your skills looking for the same type of work as you then i would suggest rates would drop depending upon the amount of people and the work available.

    So enjoy it while you have it.

    When you lose it at least you have award rates to fall back on.
     
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    Basicly, capitalism works on supply and demand, and there is no getting away from the fact. Any other system is based on theft. Unions don`t change anything, they don`t produce anything, they live off their members, not for them, ultimately unions are their members` worst enemy.
     
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    Thank God for unions, thats all i have to say.

    OHH and by the way this is not capatalism!!!!???? the state of affairs today now!

    More like financial terrorism.
     
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    BTW i dont know if anyone else heard it on the news but not only did the MP's get 30% pay rise but their advisory departments got a 53% pay rise :omg:

    How much does government and all the advisary departments cost the Australian tax payer per annum.

    Does anyone know?

    I would guess somewhere between 80 and 100 billion.

    Thats everyone including states and federal along with their advisory departments.

    Doesn't include councils.
     
  10. aussiefree2ride

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    Does the phrase "back room deal" ring any bells D&D? Mate, I`ve been a fly on the wall & witnessed these types of deals between unions & big companies. Bugs Bunny hasn`t got anything on us, we are the biggest bunnies in this country.
     
  11. mickeyy

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    Stop complaining about the wage increases for politicians. They actually deserve it because it's a 'life-job'. Politicians aren't like typical workers that work work work and go home and play play play. They work work work and then they continue to work work work. Parliament meets a certain number of times per year but ontop of that they:
    (i) Respond to certain events - e.g. disasters, license breeches
    (ii) Respond to letters which they receive from the public
    (iii) Seek legal advice on policies
    (iv) consult with communities to provide funding
    (v) attend community events - e.g. presentations, ceremonies etc

    And the list goes on...
    Please don't be so narrow minded on what politicians do... They don't just sit around doing nothing - except for John Murphy and Tony Abbott :) I reckon Malcom Turnbull does more that Tony Abbott - remember the time he invaded back his climate change portfolio from another politicians. Lols. Liberals changed his portfolio to communications because he was agreeing too much with Rudd - AND SO HE SHOULD because what he was doing was in the national interest.

    I DON'T SEE THE MEDIA TALKING ABOUT ABBOTT BACK STABBING MALCOLM.

    I cry for Australia.
     
  12. dumbanddumber

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    Our politicians are all traitors that have sold themselves and our country off to corporatism, they work for big business rather than for the people of Australia.

    Governments should rule this country not corporations, aftr all if there were no people what use is a corporation or money anyhow?
     
  13. mickeyy

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    They do provide social services and I can't wait till the NDIS (National Disability Insurance Scheme) kicks in by Labor (well, they're heading towards it at least). I think you're quoting what Liberals do ~ John Howard changed providing aid with no conditions to tied aid just to help big corporations.

    If you say the government is working for big corporations can you provide examples? Wish I was on the same page as you :\
     
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    Look no further than the carbon tax, find out what they are taxing and who runs it and who gains to profit from it.

    And what about Gillard giving the International Monetary Fund (IMF) $6.8 billion dollars, thats money that Australia has to borrow and then the tax payer is going to pay off it.

    I did see somewhere that Gillard wants to cut $6.8 billion dollars out of someones budget hhhmmmm i might look that one up again latter.
     
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