Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

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  1. Lesh

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    We can all see what's in plain site..and Mueller has what isn't in plain site
     
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    Help me then, show it to me. I've only been asking you for months and months yet you can produce nothing.
     
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    There is no need to. The indictments and guilty pleas speak to that issue very clearly. Or do you think these people just think it might be fun to go to jail for a while.
    When Mueller has swept all the smaller players into a neat little pile and gotten all the information he needs he will vacuum up the Trump family.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Always be careful what you wish for. This is only a small tip of the iceberg of what we know. Mueller has much more.

    In an early morning tweet, Trump wrote, "The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!"

    Hu-hum, another lie from our President.

    His attorney general met with the Russian ambassador twice, once in his office, then lied about it to the Senate committee confirming him.

    His former NSA who he fired, Mike Flynn, made a deal with the Russian ambassador during the transition period, meaning Flynn was a private citizen at the time. The deal conflicted with official U.S. policy with a hostile power that had interfered in our elections.

    Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June of 2016.

    Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, has had multiple dealings with the Kremlin and he has been indicted for doing so.

    One of Trump's senior advisors during the campaign, Rick Gates, has had multiple dealings with the Kremlin and he has been indicted for doing so. Gates will plead guilty and will cooperate with Mueller.

    Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has had so many dealings with the Russians, at least 100, that he has failed to properly fill out the forms required for a security clearance. Serious questions are swirling around Kushner’s security clearance — which is still pending more than a year after he entered the White House. By some strange coincidence, Kushner requests more intelligence information than any other White House official. I don't believe in coincidences.

    A member of Trump's team, George Papadopulous, lied to the FBI about his Russian involvement. He has pleaded guilty and has been cooperating with Mueller since July.

    Another member of Trump's team, Carter Page, admitted to be an advisor to the Kremlin in 2013. On November 2, 2017, Page testified to the U.S. House Intelligence Committee that he had informed Jeff Sessions, Corey Lewandowski, Hope Hicks and other Trump campaign officials that he was traveling to Russia to give a speech in July 2016. Page testified that he had met with Russian government officials during this trip and had sent a post-meeting report via email to members of the Trump campaign.

    In all, nine members of Trump's team, either close associates or members of his family, have had connections to Russia.

    Trump refuses to acknowledge Russia interfered in our election.

    Trump refuses to take steps to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections.

    Trump refuses to impose sanctions against Russia that were authorized by a bill he signed in August. The sanctions were caused by Russia's interference in our election.

    Trump had this to say about Putin during the election campaign. "I'm saying that I'd possibly have a good relationship. He's been very nice to me."
     
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    Suppositions and conjecture and false assertions. It is NOT illegal to talk to Russians. There is no evidence Flynn struck a dsal and not only was it not illegal for him to talk with the Russian ambassador as a member of the presidential transition team it was to be expected.
     
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    That is what Trumpians do. They ask for the evidence. Then, when they get, they ignore it and call it "suppositions and conjecture." For example, we know Flynn, speaking for Trump, made a deal with the Russians. He has admitted it. So has Putin. Uncharacteristically, Putin did not retaliate against Obama's sanctions. Instead, he invited Americans living in Moscow to a Christmas Party, and he said he would take up the matter with the incoming Trump administration.

    Of course, it is not illegal to talk to the Russians. That is another lame statement Trumpians use. However, we have one President at a time. It is illegal for a civilian to make a deal with a foreign power, especially a hostile foreign power, like Russia, and a deal that conflicts with American foreign policy. In addition, it it illegal for an American to collaborate with a foreign power in a Presidential election.

    I provided evidence of that collaboration. You ignored it. There is an enormous amount of evidence on this thread. You are ignoring it, too. Ignorance seems to be your main defensive weapon.
     
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    Correct we look for EVIDENCE not your supposition and conjecture.

    Really what "deal"did he make?

    No it is not and especially and incoming Presidential transition team, it was PERFECTLY legal and EXPECTED they would be talking to world leaders even about policies they may or may not follow. But if you do want to go after someone who collaborated with a foreigner and a foreign government then turn to the DNC and Clinton campaign.

    No you posted a list of conjecture and suppositions and misrepresentations of the facts and the law.
     
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    Coup-plotter Mueller has nothing....he can't even find anyone Trump has pushed off a swing set when he was a child. Mueller and the Left-wingers merely intend to prolong the investigation to generate anti-Trump opinion....which they hope will affect the coming elections!
     
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    Tell me, how do you know that? No one else knows what Mueller has, so I'm really curious.
     
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    Think about it for a moment....if he had some fire, don't you think that we'd at least see some smoke? Instead, there 's been nothing but unsubstantiated leaks from deep-state coup-plotters and their allies in the biased media!
     
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    Republicans may be looking forward to getting rid of Trump via impeachment. Now even the leadership has spoken in support of the special prosecutor.

    Politico reports, "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday stepped up their defense of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation amid attacks by President Donald Trump, though they stopped well short of calling for legislation to protect Mueller from being fired by the president.

    "McConnell in particular offered a strong defense of Mueller's record and reputation despite Trump's claims that the special counsel's office is filled with partisan Democrats and is a "witch hunt.'"

    Bob Mueller should be allowed to finish his job. I think it was an excellent appointment. I think he will go wherever the facts lead him and I think he will have great credibility with the American people when he reaches the conclusion of this investigation. So I have a lot of confidence, McConnell told reporters. This is a thoroughly credible individual, I think it was an appropriate appointment, and we all anticipate his finishing the job and telling the American people what they need to know about this episode.
     
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    In other words, you are clueless. You have no idea what Mueller. Somehow, you think the lack of leaks mean something.

    Then again, you are a Trump supporter. That explains your logic.
     
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    You're so dramatic.....are you an actress?
     
  14. Sandy Shanks

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    No doubt, you meant "actor."

    All I did was reveal your B.S. It was easy.
     
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    Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired former deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe last week, supposedly for displaying a lack of candor in dealing with an internal Justice Department probe. But On Wednesday, ABC News reported that a year before McCabe’s firing, he had authorized the launch of a criminal inquiry into whether Sessions himself lacked candor when he testified before Congress during his confirmation hearing.

    The investigation reportedly stemmed from Sessions’ testimony that he had not met with Russian officials. The Washington Post revealed last March that he had indeed met with the Russian ambassador in 2016. Sessions recused himself from the Trump-Russia investigation after the Post report came out, a decision that ultimately helped lead to the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.

    An attorney for Sessions, Chuck Cooper, told ABC that the investigation into the attorney general is over. “The Special Counsel’s office has informed me that after interviewing the attorney general and conducting additional investigation, the attorney general is not under investigation for false statements or perjury in his confirmation hearing testimony and related written submissions to Congress.
     
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    Republicans may be looking forward to getting rid of Trump via impeachment. Now even the leadership has spoken in support of the special prosecutor.

    Politico reports, "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday stepped up their defense of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation amid attacks by President Donald Trump, though they stopped well short of calling for legislation to protect Mueller from being fired by the president.

    "McConnell in particular offered a strong defense of Mueller's record and reputation despite Trump's claims that the special counsel's office is filled with partisan Democrats and is a "witch hunt.'"

    Bob Mueller should be allowed to finish his job. I think it was an excellent appointment. I think he will go wherever the facts lead him and I think he will have great credibility with the American people when he reaches the conclusion of this investigation. So I have a lot of confidence, McConnell told reporters. This is a thoroughly credible individual, I think it was an appropriate appointment, and we all anticipate his finishing the job and telling the American people what they need to know about this episode.
     
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    Mueller has subpoenaed the Trump Organization, a red line Trump has sworn should not be crossed. Mueller crossed it and as he is closing in, Trump is involved in spring cleaning as he fires some of his people and is accepting the resignations of those that quit. Gone are Gary Cohn, Rex Tillerson, John Dowd, and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. And that is just in the past few weeks.

    They were the moderates. Trump is now joining the ranks of the extremists and he is replacing the cooler heads with extremists.

    He is listening more to Peter Navarro, a Democrat and a strong believer in protective tariffs. He is largely responsible for Trump's tariffs that are causing so much misery on Wall Street and will likely result in trade wars with China, Japan, as well as others. This is a severe threat to both the American and global economies, but Trump might get a few more votes from steel and aluminum workers. That was tried in Pennsylvania recently, and Trump's candidate lost.

    Lawrence Kudlow is the incoming head of the National Economic Council. Kudlow is a true-believing ideologue firmly encamped on his party’s right flank. He is a television commentator.

    John Bolton replaced McMaster. Bolton’s regime-change rhetoric toward North Korea and Iran may lead to a hardening of policy, allies believe. In South Korea and Japan, there are fears that Trump is preparing for war if talks with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, expected by May, fail to yield breakthroughs. Trump hired him away from Fox News.

    Last, but not least, veteran Washington attorney Joseph diGenova's joined Trump's legal team. DiGenova is a conspiracy theorist who believes that the F.B.I. and Justice Department framed Trump. He has made several appearances on Fox News.

    What does all this mean? Well, some are saying the impeachment charges can't come fast enough.
     
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    So Mueller was "closing in" on Trump a year ago.

    We're still waiting ....
     
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    If there was any there there, we would know about it the way Washington leaks. It remains a witch hunt and no more.
     
  20. Sandy Shanks

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    Not quite a year. Mueller was appointed special prosecutor on May 17. The Watergate matter that nearly resulted in Nixon's impeachment lasted two years. It's early yet.

    Nixon avoided impeachment by resigning, then was pardoned by Ford. This may happen with Trump. It is looking good for the Democrats in November, particularly where the House is concerned. According to our Constitution, the House impeaches.

    House Republicans are announcing they're leaving office at a significantly faster rate than any other recent Congresses, suggesting Democrats could pick up seats in the 2018 midterm elections. On Wednesday, it was South Carolina Republican Trey Gowdy, the influential chairman of the House Oversight Committee, who called it quits. He was a rising star in the GOP. Apparently, like so many others, Gowdy has had his fill of Trump.

    Already, at least 38 House Republicans have announced they are retiring, running for another office or resigning outright. They're leaving from all over the map, from southern New Jersey to southern New Mexico.
     
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    John Dowd quit as Trump's lawyer. Dowd was the main obstacle to Trump appearing before Robert Mueller. Now he is gone. Trump has made it clear he wants to be interviewed by Mueller. That is probably because avoiding Mueller makes him look guilty. That totally ignores the fact that Trump is very good at making himself look guilty.

    As usual, Trump is full of himself. He is overwhelmed with confidence that he will be able to handle Mueller. He completely misses the fact that Trump is his own worst enemy.

    I dearly hope Trump gets his wish, and he is interviewed by Mueller. Of course, the American people deserve a full report. The secrecy has gone on long enough.

    We still have no idea what the Republican Congressional committees have dug up with their investigations that included many secret hearings and a great deal of secret testimony. My pet clam has disclosed more than Mueller has.

    I generally have a hearty laugh when Trump fans say there is no evidence of collusion. They are badly wrong. The evidence has not been made public. There is quite a difference.
     
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    You are assuming and you are wrong. We have heard nothing from the Republican Congressional committees, not a word. There have been minor leaks from Mueller's investigation, but only what he wants the public to know. There have been no leaks of his findings.

    You have no idea what you are talking. Your false assumptions are meaningless.
     
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    The only reports I've seen that turn out to be complete garbage are from that far right tv show you watch and the republican house investigation. LOL
     
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    You trumpsters just make me laugh. Your arguments remind me of Monty Python's Black Knight. His arm gets cut off and he says "tis just a scratch". both his arms and legs off, and he says "merely a flesh wound"

    Russia gate is real and the fact that you "act" like you don't think it is, is not fooling anyone.
     
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    Wow seven months later and no closer.
     

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