Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

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    First off, you don't see any criminality because neither the Republican committees nor Mueller have submitted their reports. In essence, there is nothing to see.

    Secondly, when someone talks about criminality and Trump in the same sentence, that someone is getting way ahead of themselves. Mueller is gathering evidence for possible impeachment of Trump, not charging him with a criminal act. That is why Trump is the subject of his probe, not the target of his probe. I am not even sure a President can be charged with a criminal act. That has never happened and the courts are unclear of the subject.

    However, once Trump has been impeached and removed from office, then he can be charged.
     
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    If you meant there was no serious attempt at writing articles of impeachment in late 2016, you should state that; you should not say that there was no talk of impeachment by disgruntled Democrats and leftists in late 2016 -- two different things.
     
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    It is good, in a way, to hear you admit that Mueller is on a political witch hunt with the purpose of overthrowing a president, and not conducting a criminal investigation which is all that DOJ prosecutors and special prosecutors are authorized to do.
    On the other point, if there was no obvious evidence of a crime, a special prosecutors should have never been appointed. Only in police states do prosecutors determine and decide in private who they want to investigate and for what reason.
     
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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump


    So General Michael Flynn’s life can be totally destroyed while Shadey James Comey can Leak and Lie and make lots of money from a third rate book (that should never have been written). Is that really the way life in America is supposed to work? I don’t think so!

    3:34 AM - Apr 20, 2018

    Once again Trump is proving himself to be a fool and is relying on Americans having a faulty memory. That is never a wise course of action for a President.

    Flynn, as a private citizen, was speaking for Trump in late December 2016 when he made a deal with the Kremlin. That is a no-no, especially if it runs counter to the orders of the President. Then Flynn lied about it.

    "Flynn’s life can be totally destroyed." Trump fired Flynn as his NSA after 24 days on the job.

    "Flynn’s life can be totally destroyed." In December Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

    Comey isn't the one destroying Flynn's life. Flynn is doing quite well at accomplishing that all on his own.

    There are times Trump can be very funny with his tweets.
     
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    Your reading comprehension is not very good. The evidence Mueller is digging up probably can't be used to charge the President with a crime because it is not clear the courts would allow it. But the evidence can be used in impeachment proceedings.

    Where you get off saying Trump's possible impeachment amounts to overthrowing the government is beyond me. Apparently, you are a little slow. The impeachment process is mandated by the Constitution.

    The Constitution is far higher authority than you are. Trust me on that one.

    Tell me something. Why do you persist in trying to score points with your ignorance?
     
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    It is good, in a way, to hear you admit that Mueller is on a political witch hunt with the purpose of overthrowing a president, and not conducting a criminal investigation which is all that DOJ prosecutors and special prosecutors are authorized to do.
    On the other point, if there was no obvious evidence of a crime, a special prosecutors should have never been appointed. Only in police states do prosecutors determine and decide in private who they want to investigate and for what reason.
    .What I said.

    #!, impeachment is allowed, not mandated, by Congress. #2, impeachment is allowed by congress, not police state prosecutors. #3, impeachment is a super cover for you usurpers.
     
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    Read again. Of course, impeachment is not mandated by Congress. I said it was mandated by our Constitution.

    Police and state prosecutors cannot impeach anyone.

    #3 is just plain stupid. It completely ignores what Mueller is doing. Also it completely ignores the mountain of evidence contained in this thread. You should look at it some day instead of foamy at the mouth.
     
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    It's funny then that I became a Nationalist in or around 2013, never having heard of Trump nor caring much for Russia. I simply feel the undivided loyalty to the US, quite to the contrary of the traitors within the Beltway.
     
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    It is not against the law to talk with Russians. It is expect government officials will take to Russians. Talking to a Russian in your role as a Senator is not talking to them in an unpaid position in a campaign. Nothing else in all that spagetti you threw against the wall is illegal other than a couple of process crimes having nothing to do with the investigation or allegations of crimes from years past that had nothing to do with the campaign or any "collusion".

    In fact the only "collusion" with foreigners and Russians was between them and the DNC and I repeat what I posted to the person to whom I was responding

    Events that have nothing to do with what you are claiming. Your claims that Mueller is closing in on illegal Russian collusion are nothing but conjecture.
     
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    Then you are playing right into Putin's hand. Whether of not you care for Russia immaterial. Putin would love to isolate America.

    Nationalism creates isolation. You said it yourself, "undivided loyalty to the US." That means you don't care what happens in the rest of the world. Unfortunately, what happens in the world has a direct effect on us. To ignore that fact as Trump is doing, as you are doing, is a very serious mistake.

    Part of the problem is this. If the U.S. ignores the rest of the world, as Trump is doing, the rest of world will ignore the U.S. This will have an immediate impact on our economy.
     
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    Perhaps. It is conjecture. What do you see wrong with the logic?
     
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    Of course it isn't. However, collaborating with the Russians as they interfered in our elections on Trump's behalf is against the law. There is strong evidence this happened.

    For example, Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home on June 9, 2016. The purpose: They claimed they had dirt on the Clinton campaign.
     
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    Because the rest of the world cared for the US economy prior to Trump being elected POTUS? Oh wait, we were struggling at around 1% GDP. Now, because we're saying to the rest of the world: We demand our fair share, others are coming to the negotiating table. Let me be very blunt and honest with you: If the US sank into the sea, our allies would weep some hypocritical tears, and then move in position for the New World.

    We're always competitors, even as allies we're competitors. We're not isolated because of our Nationalism, we're isolated because it's easier to isolate a country that doesn't recognize the importance of itself. The US, in the past 30 years has been that loveable drunk gulp who you can easily take for a sucker.

    As long as it's trapped within the Republican-Democratic hegemony, China can pull ahead and others can pull ahead. As long as corporatism runs rampant and big money influences America's politics, the rest of the world will move forward. And all the meanwhile, happy that you're willing to help them.
     
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    There are times when Trump and some House Republicans can be quite amusing when it comes to the defense of Trump.

    Take for example the recent report from Devin Nunes's House Intelligence Committee. Nunes is a Trump lackey. He was on Trump's transition team and some argue he never left it. He has sordid relations with the White House while acting as a liaison between the White House and the press. His committee barely scratched the surface of its investigation and rarely used its subpoena power. Nunes did not want to find evidence of collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

    Though it found no collusion, the Republican report does fault the Trump campaign over several key events during the campaign. It states that at times the campaign "demonstrated poor judgment."

    "We were honored. It was a great report," Trump said.

    The same day Nunes released his flawed findings, the Russian Trump, Jr., Trump's son-in-law, and campaign manager met at Trump's home on June 9, 2016 admitted she is an agent for the Kremlin.

    The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, admitted, "I am a lawyer, and I am an informant. Since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general."

    Those familiar with the meeting knew that Veselnitskaya and the three other Russians in the room with Trump's high ranking campaign officials were agents of the Kremlin. How did we know? Junior's friend, the one who arranged the meeting, one Rob Goldstone, told Junior they were operatives of the Russian government.

    Goldstone's email said, "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

    Nunes, in his rush to exonerate his master, evidently overlooked this key piece of evidence. It is quite clear that key members of Trump's campaign team were eager to collaborate with the Kremlin. "If it's what you say I love it," Junior said in a reply to Goldstone.

    They met at Trump's home, Trump Tower. Trump played a key role in the ludicrous attempt to provide cover for the meeting. His son, son-in-law, and campaign manager attended the meeting with the four Russian agents. Trump's people are meeting with operatives of a hostile foreign power at his home.

    Trump promised during a June 7, 2016, campaign appearance that he would soon give a speech outlining “all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons.” Trump’s remarks took place just hours after the Trump Tower meeting.

    Trump is either very stupid or he knew about the meeting from its outset.
     
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    Fine, have it your way. I don't deal in theoretical politics and characterizations. I deal with reality. I deal with what is happening in the world today.

    And there is a lot happening. I simply don't have time for theory. Please accept my apologies.
     
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