Mueller complained that Barr’s letter did not capture ‘context’ of Trump probe

Material obtained in past investigations of presidents has been made available to congressional committees immediately and in full. That has included boxes of documents, not just a final report.

There is no reason for that not to be the case here, with the possible exception concerning ongoing legal action.

 

People on this thread have suggested that Mueller should have taken this step or something like it, since the investigation shows that Trump appears to be guilty.

 

Yep...and since those day, the Democrats changed the laws that make those actions illegal.

 

Well, that's a different response anyway... props for that...

I don't believe there was a single lie about how Crossfire Hurricane started in 2016, continuing with Comey through May 2017, and with Mueller through March 2019. Tons of smoke, smoke, smoke, but no tacit agreements to start a full blown fire.

How the various investigations started is thoroughly documented and logical. No office of investigation could let some of those connections go unchecked, especially once they all congregated in the Trump campaign.

Barr can investigate whatever he wants, but all he's going to find is some people in the FBI didn't want Trump to be president (known), Halper tried to determine what was up with Page and Papa (known) and the entire freaking government agreed that Carter Page needed to be surveilled for a time (well known).

Make a case with that.... Take all the time you need...

 

You are laughing at one of the fundamental concepts of how our founders designed our government.

They saw checks and balances as absolutely critical to our democracy.

This was one of the few significant advancements for which we (and the world) laud our founders.

 

You used the word 'our' 4 times in that fine post... I'm just not sure it applies to all posters on here..

 

What law are you referencing?

 

Yes, there are some from other countries.

Just to be clear, I was referring to the founders of America as "our founders" and the democracy of America as "our democracy".

 

It could be said both ways. He doesn't like politics interfering with justice, but he also doesn't like justice interfering with politics. Or in his own words, "We have to stop using the criminal justice process as a political weapon."

 

They all congregated in the Trump campaign because that was their only designated target. Sort of like how all the witches congregated in Salem. Or shall we say, "manufactured" witches, "manufactured" collusion, and "manufactured" obstruction.

 

Then why didn’t mueller say that? He cleared him of the conspiracy issue...maybe he had a doubt as to obstruction...a reasonable one

 

He lined out a prosecution for obstruction. He stated each point needed to prove conspiracy. Then, for each point he identified the evidence proving that point.

As for conspiracy, it's clearly proved that Trump took advantage of information from Russian and supplied Russia with campaign information that Russia used to promote Trump in that last presidential election.

I'm not as clear on the law concerning an actual conspiracy charge. It seems Mueller believes that both parties had to know that it was illegal for Russia to attack our democracy (??!!). In fact, he has maintained a stance of total protection for Russia on this issue.

The thing is, Trump swore an oath of office and he has not done ANYTHING to address the protection of our democracy from foreign attack - including by Russia, who absolutely DID attack us.

That alone is more than adequate as an impeachable offense.

 

No. I'm laughing at a desperate attempt by Democrats to subvert our democracy and reverse a legitimate election. You Dems always do it. But this time, you'll fail. Trust me.

 

And Executive Privilege is founded in the Separation of Powers, also a significant advance.

 

No attempt to reverse the election of Trump has ever been entertained.

Even if Trump were to be impeached, it would not impact that previous election, as the VP would assume the presidency.

 

Are you suggesting that executive privilege overrides the concept of oversight that is the central purpose of checks and balances?

This is a fairly important point, as full executive privilege IS dictatorship.

 

You were perfectly clear, and I know there are some from other countries... I'm starting to question the basic patriotism of "Americans" who would toss basic checks and balances in the trash and for the support of presidential garbage...

Actually, I'm way past starting to question... Makes me sick...

 

I do see this as an exceptionally scary point in time when it comes to our democracy.

What we're seeing is pretty much exactly the scenario that has caused our government to propose a parliamentary system for use by new governments - NOT our system, which is too close to allowing a slide toward dictatorship.

One has to wonder how the powers of the executive branch as well as the powers of other countries will be wielded in our next election given the extent to which we seem unable to hold to the rules of government as our founders envisioned.

 

Yes, the Executive may with hold information. Congressional oversight is also checked by the principal of the Seperation of Powers.

I can only defer to the SCOTUS on this matter which has long recognized Executive Privilege. It seems to me that protecting the confidential communications between the President and his advisors so they are not required to publicly disclose them falls a tad short of dictatorship.

Are you willing to discard any precedent that stands in the way of your passion to remove the duly elected President of the United States if his name is Trump?

 

Why wasn't Eric Holders refusal to testify before Congress, which earned him a Contempt of Congress citation, an equally scary moment when it comes to our democracy? Is it because you liked the President at the time?

 

Yes, I know you need for this to be partisan. If it weren't, you would have to actually think about what has been found so far.

Executive Privilege was not created in order to obstruct justice and block congressional oversight duties.

In the two past cases we have, executive branch investigations under the DoJ were passed to congress in less than two full days.

Times up!

 

Forgive me my friend, but you’re right - you do need to read more

 

I'd like a specific on that myself... I've never seen an attempt to reverse the 2016 election..

I'm all ears!

 

It has been partisan since the DNC hired Fusion GPS to manufacture slander against Trump incorporating Russian disinformation and insinuating it into the US intelligence community to justify spying on the Trump campaign.

That is what has been found so far.

 

No, it WAS concerning.

However, it wasn't part of a pattern of criminal behavior and obstruction such as we see today.

These things are seriously hard to control. Presidents don't easily relinquish powers that their predecessor developed.

We see how investigations that were held in the past were handled and then watch the current administration (and Holder??) give the big FU. In fact, we see the AG stupendously misrepresenting the truth while denying access to the evidence.

What comes after THAT?

Now that it's fine for candidates to use information from Russia and it's fine for candidates to hand campaign information to Russia and it's not considered important to work against Russian attacks, what are future elections going to look like?

Basically, who is defending our democracy? Certainly not the president. And, I don't see the Senate willing to consider changes the House has proposed. And, we're even accepting what is on the books as criminal behavior!!