Muslim school which objected to girls on boys soccer team told to abide by rules

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  1. ellesdee

    ellesdee Well-Known Member

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    The analogy is not the same at all. Islamic bans on physical contact with girls has nothing to do with race.

    But if a team of whites wanted to forfeit a game rather than touch a black person, I'd totally support their decision. That wouldn't mean I agreed with them. I don't belief in the Islamic notion that we shouldn't have physical contact with girls, but I'd still support their right to adhere to it.
     
  2. ellesdee

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    They followed the rules, so why should they be banned? Because their Muslim?

    No, I don't, but the Muslim team never stated that girls shouldn't be able to play soccer.
     
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    Agreed. This is ridiculous. Keep your religion at home and in church, where it belongs. When you are part of society, you play by that society's rules, or you don't play.

    Yep, that's the flip side of this. BUT, what you're missing here is that the muslim team was imposing their religion on the girls of the opposing team as well. That's not OK.
     
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    So it's ok to be sexist and a bigot if you offer to forfeit? LMAO. Your defense for this is amusing.
     
  5. leekohler2

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    Yes, I have the same problem with this POV. The muslim team should not be to be able to pick and choose they will or won't play with in the league. If they can't play by the rules, they should not be in the league at all. That is the solve here.
     
  6. ellesdee

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    Again, I don't understand how wanting to avoid contact with girls is sexist.
     
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    leekohler2 New Member

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    What's wrong with girls that they can't play a sport with boys? The muslim team should obey the rules or get out of the league entirely. It is not fair to the girls in the league. There is no other way to solve this. The muslim team should not get to pick and choose which teams they play. That's not fair or right.
     
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    That's pretty pathetic. It's 2015. You can't suppress sexuality or else it releases itself in other horrifying ways. IE: sexual assaults, rapes..etc. These manifest in hyper-religious groups because they can't experiment sexually until they are married or engaged. This can cause the males to "snap" and create an urgent need to experiment...
     
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    Not really, though. They didn't demand, or even ask, that the girls not play. They were willing to forfeit the game. It was the coach of the Christian team who voluntarily offered to pull the girls out of the game.
     
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    I don't know. I personally don't have a problem with physically contacting females.

    They did follow the rules.

    I think it's fair if the Muslim team is willing to take a lose over it.
     
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    Then the muslim team should not be playing in the league at all. The girls in the league have every right to play. If the muslim team cannot abide by the rules of the league, which includes girls, they should not be in the league if their religion forbids it.
     
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    ? Try looking at what I asked again.

    No they didn't. The league includes girls, and the muslim team refused to play if girls were included. That's wrong.

    It's only fair if they leave the league entirely. It is not fair to tell every other team that if they have girls, they can't play against the muslim team. That's completely unfair. And if you read the whole article, the Canadians told the muslim team they must abide by the rules from now on. That is the right, and only fair, decision.
     
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    Yes, they either shouldn't have, or they could've abstained from playing the particular team, and only if the rules stated in advance that girls can play boys.
    I don't know about the tournament, but maybe the reporter was a bit prankish?!
     
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    If you think my answer is inappropriate, I apologize. I don't know how to answer it. I personally don't have a problem with girls playing on boys teams. Maybe you should ask a Muslim for an explanation.

    Forfeiting is within the rules, and even the ROPSSAA stated that, according to the article, "if a similar objection arose in the future, the school teams would have to decide to either play the game anyway, or default the match."
     
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    A religion is not supposed to change colors every year or decade or century or millennium.
    And who said Islam oppresses it? We just have regulated ways for it.
     
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    The rules are quite clear in the article and explained. And yes, the rules have been around for a while and they state girls and boys can play together. It's all in the article. They should not have waited til they got into the game and then complained about girls playing. That is wrong.

    There is no explanation that excuses what happened.

    Then in fairness to all, the muslim team should take itself out of the league, or learn to play with girls. Nothing else is fair or acceptable. No other group would be able to get such an "accommodation". For example, should "Christian" teams get to back out of a game if there are gay students on another team? What if a team has a problem with blacks? Should they be able to forfeit too? If you start making allowances for one group, you have to for all. Then you know what happens? No one ends up playing. The muslim team either learns to play within the rules, and that includes playing with girls, or they leave the league. Period.

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    Their religion is their issue, and they chose to make it someone else's. That's not right. The muslim team needs to leave the league.
     
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    Yes it should. Christianity is a great example. They have evolved from 300 years ago. They aren't killing "non-believers". They aren't sacrificing anyone. They have evolved with the times. Even the depiction of Jesus and his followers has changed.

    There's no rule that says religion can't evolve. Islam has not evolved. Many die in the name of Allah every day. It's pathetic and wrong. It's now changing from religion, to cult.
     
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    That depends on which countries we're talking about. But I mainly get your point.
     
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    They are stating that girls won't play that game. They are infringing on the rights of those girls...by refusing to let game go on as it is supposed to or demanding girls be excluded.

    What if Muslims join a mixed religion team because an all Muslim team wasn't available. Should we be senitjve to their demands then? It's the same thing.

    They should separate as a separate league with its own rules and only play Muslim teams instead of forcing their values on others and demand girls shouldnt enjoy the benefits of the sport when they decide. By patronizing this we are saying it's ok to prevent girls from the same opportunities given boys. Some things simply shouldn't be tolerated.
     
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    So the girls shouldn't be allowed to play because the liberal muslims don't want touch a girl because of their religion? These girls are being denied because of the progressive backed religion. Nice job progressives.
     
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    Muslims are not liberal. If they were, they'd have no problem playing with the girls. They also wouldn't hate gay people. Religionists are all conservative. I don't know where you get your delusions. That was a pathetic attempt.

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    Agreed on all points. This should not be tolerated one minute more.
     
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    Actually, by forfeiting, they are stating that neither boys nor girls will play that game.

    If forfeitures are allowed, than, technically, no player has the right to play any games.

    It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this word, the Muslim team still never demanded anything.

    What's the big deal if Muslim players choose to sit out of some games for religious reasons?

    They made no demands and never forced anyone from the other team to do anything. This was all clearly explained in the article. Repeating false statements over and over again doesn't make them true.
     
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    ellesdee Well-Known Member

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    A couple years back, on my son's baseball team, there was a Jewish boy who didn't play on every Saturday game. He didn't demand that we stop playing on Saturdays. Should be stop allowing Jews to play baseball if there are games on Saturdays?
     
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    I agree, no one should have to get any accommodation, and the Christian didn't have to pull the girls out of the game. I don't consider being allowed to forfeit the game as an accommodation.

    Absolutely.

    I don't believe for a second that there will be an epidemic of forfeitures if the Muslim team had been allowed to forfeit the game.
     
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    His decision not to play did not effect the other team's members' ability to play. That is not the same situation at all.

    They didn't forfeit, though, did they? Reading further on this, the Christian school's team to could not afford to win by forfeit or they would not have enough points to move on in the tournament. So the girls took one for the team, with the muslim school most likely knowing they could get away with it, given the situation. That's even more crappy, and another reason this should not be allowed:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...soccer-game-after-complaints-from-muslim-team

    That is clearly wrong. If you don't see that, we have no more to discuss. I mean, come on, in the middle of a game? This should not even be up for debate.

    Absolutely not.

    People will always surprise you. This kind of silliness needs to be nipped in the bud right away. If the muslim school does not like the rules, they need to play somewhere else. Period.
     

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