My Problems with New Atheism

Sometime read "Foxes Book of Martyrs". Those religious folks didn't persecute "just" the likes of Galileo.... they persecuted true followers of Christ as well. Don't confuse the two. Mankind is very deceptive.

 

Hey, I am just trying to get an idea of what "evidence" is required. So far no one can give a coherent answer.

 

Yes I am. I did such a great job too.

 

You have failed to name what type of evidence is required.

 

I understand the concept of spirituality. I also understand that science is not qualified to answer the question of God's existence. Science can only give limited evidence based on observation.

 

You gave nothing of the sort. And since you cannot answer you are running away.

 

Ironic!

 

Why are you violating your own commandment not to bear false witness?

 

Then explain the "concept of spirituality" as you "understand" it.

 

Ironic!

 

What the hell is new atheism?

 

Why do you say I have commandments?

 

Do you not understand it? I guess not.

 

You should explain what a 'concept of spirituality' is because if you are going to introduce dualism then as far as I am concerned the conversation is over. I am not interested in going over that crap again.

If gods existed and interacted with this Universe we should be able to detect them so, science is very capable of investigating that AND by the way, if gods do not interact with the Universe then God does not exist.

True enough, the massive weakness of science is that it investigates and comes to tentative conclusions based upon evidence while it is the huge strength of other techniques that they offer truth by revelation. You cannot arrive at 'truth' through faith.

Regardless that you are not willing to say what convinced you I will revise my list to suit what you want...

Evidence that can be corroborated beyond personal revelation; you know it because you can show it.
Evidence that is compelling such that there is no alternative explanation.

 

I probably have a better understanding of spirituality than you do which explains your failure to even attempt to address what you allegedly "understand" but obviously don't.

 

Though this has been provided for you many times in multiple forms from numerous members and you ignore it in order to keep asking for it so you can avoid addressing it....I will post it again:

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Physical manifestation of anything reality based.
Physical confirmation of any of his documented "Miracles" or Biblical stories.
Turning on a light switch when asked.
Performing any action in front of a witness.
Doing ANYTHING that can be reviewed by more than an individual."

You will now ignore it again and go off on some tangent that avoids the uncomfortable.

 

oh I agree, there has been much Christian infighting throughout history too, each thinking the other is wrong and only they know the truth, in fact that is why religion is no longer pushed in schools, cause some Christians did not like the way other Christians were teaching it

 

No, science is not very capable of detecting anything beyond our own existence. Science has barely scratched the surface of our own universe.

 

You apparently do not. Otherwise you would understand what I am saying.

 

You are basically asking for cheap parlor tricks. Surely you are not that gullible.

 

Simple way for you to discern what you describe.,,,, Study the teachings of the New Testament laying aside the traditions of men. What did Jesus and the Apostles teach? They never left us clueless. Mainstream denominations are .dying. Bible Churches are vibrant. The traditions of men have attempted to make the Word of God non-effectual. The demons of hell cannot touch it. It frustrates Progressives. They may be able to destroy man made churches, but the Body of Christ prevails through it all. They never will destroy that.

 

There is plenty of evidence that the universe is a "creation". Some just ignore the evidence. These same folks probably see a computer and think it formed out of nothing when the rest of us know it is a design of an advanced being.

 

This God thing is not a part of our existence?

Science doesn't know therefore God. Going old school apologetics huh? I get the impression that we are not going to have a very productive exchange.

You should explain what a 'concept of spirituality' is because if you are going to introduce dualism then as far as I am concerned the conversation is over. I am not interested in going over that crap again.

 

Right, so anything that you cannot produce as evidence is hand waved away. I was not expecting that!

 

Reality based evidence IS NOT some "Cheap Parlor Trick".

Oh...and I totally called it.
"You will now ignore it again and go off on some tangent that avoids the uncomfortable."