Village A and Village B are both located near a water hole in the desert. There is only enough water for one village. One night, the men of Village A raid Village B and kill every man, woman and child. Village A now has the water hole all to itself. We, the descendents of Village A, inherit the sin of our ancestors who murdered the people of Village B.
Does that mean that all Americans are obligated to be punished for the murder of various Native American tribes? This also fits in nicely with the slave reparations idea.
So if one of my parents commits a crime and dies before they finish their time for the crime the children of the parents should be forced/obligated to finish their time in prison for them? I never did understand the logic of original sin. Just because one of my parents is might be a bad person does not automatically mean that I and all my siblings are too. So considering that. Just because Adam and Eve were tempted to eat the Forbidden Fruit does not mean their children, Cain and Abel, etc. would have been tempted to do so. Of course they were never given the opportunity to prove themselves either.
Are you saying, essentially, that it is the village that has the sin? How long does this stretch? Is it through all time? Is it if a citizen did what was in his might to stop it? If he didn't know about it? Seems to be an example of one situation rather than an entire explanation.
I look at original sin as the 'sin nature' of man. Which is displayed in his self-centeredness, referencing everything to himself--1st! Looking at the story of the Garden of Eden and the fall of man, it is a 'spiritual' representation of man choosing to sin (go against the words of his creator, God) by eating the forbidden fruit (listening to the words of the enemy) so as to 'be like (as) God." Man is born with that selfish nature (just look at any 2 YO), and is given the opportunity by God thru repentance & grace via the cross of Christ to be re-born with a new nature, not from dead rituals, but by regeneration by the Spirit of God. Rituals such as water Baptism dont remove sin, but are outward signs of one who identifies with the Christ, by His death (submersion) and resurrection (coming out of the water), but dont 'save' per se. Only the acceptance of the work of the cross on a personal basis (He died for 'me') will yield true salvation of the spirit of a man.
sounds like an idiots line of thinking your logic suggest: it means, jesus being from adam and eve like all of us, was no good it means, you are nothing but a liar too it means, mankind can never be capable of overcoming The story of adam and eve is a metaphor and that god must have been happy gen 3:22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' - but of course, if you are correct, then your god is a liar too!
This sounds more like an argument for cyclical tribal warfare than for the doctrine of original sin. Original sin is more like if parents teach their children something wrong and that wrong information passes from generation to generation. I suppose abuse can be used as an example. The children are victims of it as well as perpetrators, but still the abuse continues and that is what matters. I don't even believe in original sin and somehow I've devised a more fair analogy (assuming that most people are hostile to the idea of retributionary tribal warfare).
As descendents of Village A, we are alive today only because our ancestors murdered the inhabitants of Village B. Had the inhabitants of Village B murdered the inhabitants of Village A, we would not even exist. Since we benefit from the sin, in that our very existence depends on it, we inherit the guilt of the sin. In the same way, all the sins of all our ancestors which were done to ensure their survival and propagation are passed down to us. Every baby is born in original sin, because without sin that baby would not have existed. No one is innocent. No one.
In the same way, a man who works for the Mafia, and commits evil deeds to support his family, his wife and children cannot benefit from that support and claim innocence of his deeds. In the eyes, of the law, yes, they are innocent. But are they truly innocent in the eyes of God? No. Ignorance is no excuse if you are deliberately keeping yourself ignorant.
Original sin is that sin which entered the human race through Adam. Sin already existed in the universe due to Satans rebellion. Once Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, Sin entered them and changed them from the perfect condition they were in to the fallen state they now became. They were now infected with the disease of Sin, and this disease of Sin is passed down through all their children. Who in turn keep passing it down to theirs. Thus everyone who is born, is born a sinner. You don't become a sinner because you sinned. You sin because your a sinner. Quantrill
