Netanyahu blames Mossad & Shin Bet

not just Jews - many others fled as well - but is Iran the only Muslim country?


a significant number of our current refugees are from Sri Lanka, large numbers of refugees are from Burma - are these Muslim countries?

People - in general - will flee from brutal regimes - whether they are muslim or not.

 

Most of them would go like a shot, surely, like all the DPs who went there because nowhere else would let them in?

 

Ah, good! So, with this cavalier dismissal, we can assume that you believe that the end justifies the means, etc., etc. -- right? The creation of the State of Israel itself was such an event, it produced people both good and bad. Hey, Menachem Begin bombed the King David Hotel way back in 1946, and that was an awful thing to do, but there were similar atrocities on the other side, and then more on the Jewish side, and on and on and on, and not too surprisingly, there was a revolution....

But you, surely, would understand that "these things happen". Quid pro quo. Good! That's settled... should we now move on to the imminent collapse of the Italian economy?

 

Did you not read the part where I said I know people who are refugees in Germany and do not believe propaganda? Get it now?

 

So you've met some Iranians in Germany, and all of them spoke ill of their own nation, is that right?

So what?

That doesn't remove the fact that Iranian Jews seem happy to remain there, despite the attempts of Israel to use bribes to take them from their own homeland. They say they like it there, and that they are well treated. Better than Arabs are in Israel.

Sorry if that is not consistant with this absurd idea of Iran being Nazi Germany, and wanting to 'kill Jews'.

 

A lot of Iranians have fled Iran - not just Jews - and for good reasons too.

still, in our region Iranians are one of the top three groups of refugees. many of the current refugees are Muslims, many of the bahai and jewish refugees left earlier.

there are still Jews - and non muslims - who are fine in Iran, but for some life thered is untenable. it has generally become worse in the last couple of years.

there is no point in denying that.

 

Well, there are some that would say African Americans don't have an easy life in the USA, and that the US has many of it's own domestic and social issues.

It is all moot anyway.

The bottom line is that Iran have not invaded any country for three centuries. Compare that to Israel. Compare that to the US. They are the true aggressor, imo.

The bottom line is that Iran do not have nukes, and have said publicly and often, that this is not something on their agenda. If you want to see a true nuke threat, look to Israel, who refuse to be part of the same treaty that others are expected to be a part of.

If anything, the US, the EU, and NATO, they should be considering sanctions against Israel, and pressure on them to return to their 67 borders, while decanting the 600,000 Israeli's (so to speak), who are located on illegally occupied lands. If Israel refuse, they would be deemed in violation of that directive, which could mean more sanctions and/or force used against them.

 

Iran invaided Iraq 90+ times in the Iran Iraq War ( Sometimes sending units made up entirely of of 15 year olds in suicide waves)

 

It's all about perspective. Many people flee many regimes throughout the ME (and the world) with far worse records on human rights than Iran. However, Iran happens to be one of the few nations opposed to Western imperialism which is why attempts are made to disproportionately demonize her as opposed to say Saudi Arabia. We unconditionally support the latter but claim that the former is deserving of a miltary assault on the pretext that it is presided over by a despotic regime (even fascist) that is allegedly engaging in a non-existent weapons programme. No democracy of any kind exists in the latter, whilst presidential elections are a feature of the former. I have yet to see any evidence that the elections in Iran were conducted fraudulently. Iranian-American's living in America voted by proxy for Iranian candidates.

 

Iran was acting in self-defence.

 

Iran sits atop one of the world's greatest concentrations of crude oil and natural gas. Why does it want to create a dirty and dangerous nuclear power industry?

 

I guess oil runs out in the end.

We used to think it never would, nor coal, when I was a kid growing up, you thought it as common as rainwater!

There is nothing wrong or illegal in them pursuing nuclear energy.

Nothing at all.

 

Why would the US, with the black stuff sitting under Texas, want to do the same? The logic is that the Iranian's, like the American's are investing in new technologies based on future projected demand.

 

it really isn't comparable, Jack.

People flee for good reason.

I respect the right of Iran to defend its territory, I respect the right of the Iranian people to live their lives without interference from outsiders, but the facts are that for many Iranians, they have to be very careful if they want a peaceful life.

that is a fact.

 

I agree.

however there are still many Iranians fleeing, the situation has become worse since 2009. Imprisonment of movie directors and actors says a lot about a country's willingness to let people have a voice.

 

There's no reason for Iran to be enriching uranium to the 20% level. It's not needed for commercial power generation.

The US has tremendous untapped natural resources that are inaccessible due to regulatory overreach. Tapping American natural resources would go far towards disempowering the entire middle east.

 

Assuming for the sake of argument that the Iranians only seek to develop the peaceful uses on nuclear energy, they are investing in the most dangerous form of energy in existence. They are building heavy water reactors that generate radioactive waste on massive scales. Fukushima. Chernobyl. Three Mile Island. Foolishness.

America is not building more nuclear power plants to the best of my knowledge. America has tremendous untapped natural resources. The development of American natural resources would allow America to get out of the middle east. Good idea.

 

They didn't 'flee', they left. They were not hounded, discriminated against or oppressed in any way.

 

America came pretty close to that during McCarthy's tenure. The bogeyman then was communism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

How quickly people forget uncomfortable truths.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...nity-not-logic-guides-israels-leadership.html

Meir Dagan was Mossad chief when the US attacked Iraq.. In late 2002 he told the world that Iraq had NO WMDs.

Meanwhile, AIPAC is lobbying to forbid the US to conduct diplomacy with Iran.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/215584-attack-iran-aipacs-infamous-chutzpah.html

 

No one flees Iran. All those refugees left because all was well.

Talk about propoganda.

 

The Iranian Jews were living in Iran for 2500 years before the European Zionists arrived in Palestine.. and then they left in waves in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973..

Do you think that is mere coincidence, Liebe?

 

Nuclear energy and power plants are a lot safer than the masses believe.

Chernobyl is an excellent case in point.

Do you know how many people died? 50,000? 100,000? More?

Go check the death toll, I feel you will be surprised.

It is the same with all the hype that we used to hear over so called 'dirty bombs'. Basically, a bomb with radioactive materials in it. The idea being that it is detonated, and the radiation kills tens of thousands. It is so implausible. Most of the radiation would simply dissapate into the air, the amount that people would take on would be less than an X ray.