New CNN Poll Shows 50% of Americans Support Removing Trump From Office

So if we want the impeachment articles to be written and move forward with impeachment, we are now in desperation?

We are with you. Please vote for articles of impeachment. This is what you want, correct?

 

We'll see how those numbers fare in a level Senate playing field rather than Schiffs hand picked witnesses and selective leaks.

 

Curious what kind of threats caused the u turn.

 

Well, it's those unredacted portions and the grand jury documents.

 

It is, but if you are "supporting" articles of impeachment because you "now" think the political ramifications of an impeached president are helpful to that President, then you are engaging in a desperate "toss me in the briar patch" talking point.

 

The "same" threats that caused that Republican House member who dared to suggest that he was willing to listen to the evidence before making a decision to come back out 48 hours later and clarify that he does not support impeachment.

 

We will indeed.

 

LOL

I can't believe you even bothered.

Then again, thanks for the laugh.

 

What happens if those redacted portions and documents don't pertain to Trump, but let's say they pertain to Paul Manafort or Roger Stone? What then would be the House's legitimacy to see them? Would the House also retroactively say "Oops, it wasn't important after all. You can seal it now?"

 

I think the analogy is pointed the wrong direction. It should read "toss the democrat party into the briar patch" as this is political suicide for many seats that are hanging by a proverbial thread and taking this to the senate would be extremely bad for many people, especially the Bidens. Why do you think all the democrats are not walking away from impeachment?

 

only the best!

fascinating stats.

 

If only cnn was genuine journalism so their polling could be trusted.

No one who is intetested in reality and journalism uses cnn and msm. They have proved they are propaganda outlets and an aspect of the corrupt oligarchy.

I dont depend upon Fox either. Who in their right mind would ever use big corporation news? Their concern puts only profit as important . That is why they dont employ real journalists. No one in msm is aware of journalistic standards or have any use for such things

Partisans hate standards even more than trump! Hearing the other side of something would make them crap on themselves out of shock.

 

Welcome.

 

I don't follow the logic. They are reviewing those documents for information that might be important to the impeachment inquiry, but if they discover reasons to hold others accountable, then they can act accordingly.

 

The last question is posed poorly, are you trying to ask why aren't all the Democrats fully embracing impeachment?

And no, I dont buy the "nuh uh, you are the ones who want to be tossed in the briar patch" talking point. There are vulnerable Democrats who might be more suspect because of their willingness to support impeachment, but I bet you those are (or will be) balanced or exceeded by the number of House Republicans made more vulnerable by defending an impeached president.

 

Nihilism is not a good standard for political or journalism.

 

What I'm saying is, is that GJ material is typically secret and the reason for the judge ruling in this way is as you said "reviewing those documents for information that might be important to the impeachment inquiry"(the examples I gave are already in jail.)

If NONE of that information proves to be material, then what are we going to do? "Oops, sorry, you can keep it concealed after all?" What's the point of a grand jury then?

 

First, they have already been viewed spending millions and finding nothing. Second, dems would have to provide a legitimate legislative reason.

 

All this polling does nothing more than fog up the ultimate questions we partisans of either side should be asking. Will a lot voters punish incumbent Congressmen and women in their own primary or general elections for taking a stance or vote on impeachment or removal and I submit that is a very very different question that these polls really do a terrible job of measuring.
I think that depends on
1. the ideological make-up of the district.
2. when these votes get taken and how close to an election they happen
3. whether the voters see a real impact from these votes
4. what the argument is provided to justify those votes

Which side can use this process to fund-raise? Which side can use this process to get turnout high? Which side can use this process to switch support of partisans in primaries, or soft partisans or independents in the general election all separate political considerations. But we can't forget for the legal, constitutional and larger governmental and precedent setting considerations. there are oaths involved and responsibilities to the institutions that do matter beyond the pragmatic politics.

 

I am not in the least bit concerned because I read the entire transcript

What I am concerned about is that the Dems in the House would actually vote for Impeachment without any evidence of a crime.

And I am concerned that Joe Biden shook down the Ukraine government and bragged about it in an open forum, caught on camera no less,

 

Looks like solid data. Thanks.

 

This is a humorous stance. "A more level playing field." The House is Democratic, the Senate is Republican. Let's try at least a smidgen of honesty here. Neither field is level. What I like about this Senate portion of the trial is that Chief Justice Roberts will preside. A lot less tomfoolery from the Republicans will be tolerated. Conviction? Unlikely.

 

Meanwhile America is saying "CNN sucks"....

 

Yeah, the American people saw that 'very thorough process'. A Senate trial is the only way where people are under oath, are allowed to be cross examined and everyone's witnesses may be called. Even from the Ukraine.

 

If 80% of the 50% in favor of impeachment are in NY and CA, there is very little pressure on senators from the vast majority of states to convict.