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New here. Are there any liberals who could explain their economic theory to me?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by jdxprs, Jul 7, 2012.

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  1. Bluebird

    Bluebird Well-Known Member

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    OMG-I'll be right back--I have to go get the data for you to peruse-or you can learn something dairyaire-you can GOOGLE " Record Fillibusters" & what will come up for every web-site will embarrass you & your statement here. But that being said I'll go get it
     
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  3. Bluebird

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    Oh,silly boy;he was stating that Mass. came in 47th in RANKING while OLE MITT was GOV-that's 3rd from the bottom-NOT GOOD---
     
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    CONservatives love corporate welfare:


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18944097

    Tax havens: Super-rich 'hiding' at least $21tn

    Sterling pound notes James Henry says his $21tn figure is a conservative estimate

    A global super-rich elite had at least $21 trillion (£13tn) hidden in secret tax havens by the end of 2010, according to a major study.

    The figure is equivalent to the size of the US and Japanese economies combined.

    The Price of Offshore Revisited was written by James Henry, a former chief economist at the consultancy McKinsey, for the Tax Justice Network.



    ... more ....



    When Obama initially discussed limiting tax shelters, the right wingers in Congress balked. Therefore, blame them for all this corporate welfare.
     
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  5. RtWngaFraud

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    So did John Gotti.
     
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    So,You agree Health Care Reform should have been tackled a long time ago-& it is not worse-Health Insurance is getting to the point that only the uber rich can afford the premiums-the whole point in OBAMA Care is for people to join a co-op (for lack of a better word) where Health Care is affordable for everybody-the more people in the less the cost-thus eliminating high costs being put on those that buy Health Insurance-(because we are getting charged for the uninsured that use the emergency room for their General care)Geez,please go read the bill instead of relying on GOP talking points-they(GOP) are not being truthful to you---
     
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    Yes Liberals love saying that....but you would be hard pressed to find a conservative here at PF or in the country that supports Corporate Welfare........

    .....and considering the Democrat's love affar with bailing out Corporations while giving billions of Taxpayer dollars to companies like Solyndra......it doesnt matter if its corporate welfare of parasite welfare......Democrats love welfare of all labels.

    Is the secret tax haven by chance on double secret probation?
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  8. Southern Man

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    Then we must be one in the same. /sarcasm
     
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  9. danielpalos

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    My solution is to actually solve poverty; instead of merely pay for a War on Poverty on a longitudinal basis, and expect different results.
     
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    Simply put it's supply side economics vs Keynesian economics.

    Well intentioned naive republicans truly believe the private sector is perfect: there is no greed, no corruption; CEOs, business owners and decision makers make no mistakes; no-one ever tries to deceive or take advantage of the consumer, the people at the top sincerely care about the people beneath them and compensate people adequately.... And so on and on and on. With this belief of such a heavenly and perfect world then it's natural to make the case that govt should stand back and not interfere at all... No taxes, no regulation, no fed using monetary policy and no fiscal policy...

    Keynesians understand that this is a naive and rather ignorant school of thought; after all history has proven that lack of regulation is dangerous and capitalism fails every now and then so govt has to monitor and interfere, albeit intelligently, to smoothen out the peaks and troughs. You see capitalism at times gets wreckless as private sector greed, corruption, mismanagement leads to decision making which is biased towards quick profits, big bonuses, getting paid without regard to longer term..... Hence 2008 financial crisis... And now due to the failures of capitalism you now have more regulation! If capitalism was as perfect as republicans think we would have no govt interference and no regulation.... It all has been a byproduct of the flaws and failures of completely free markets and capitalism. Republicans just don't get it and never will!! They are a stubborn bunch who don't learn from the lessons if history.
     
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    False premise.
     
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    It is called economic discrimination and is both legal and socially acceptable under any form of Capitalism, but not Socialism; alleged conservative.
     
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    I will believe that when alleged conservatives start clamoring to end the drug war and corporate welfare louder than they clamor to end welfare for real persons who may experience some benefit from it.
     
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    But I ax'd if it was fair.
     
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    It could be considered both holy and moral under any form of capitalism, but not socialism. Any more questions?
     
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    It "could" be, by your baseless opinion, but I "do" say that it is not fair, because person A is paying a different rate then person B.
     
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    Only if you are an infidel to Capitalism, but not Socialism; alleged conservative. How typical.
     
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    So you don't have an answer.
     
    Southern Man, Jul 25, 2012
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    It depends on whether or not you claim to believe more in Capitalism than you do in Socialism. Equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept.
     
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    I didn't say "equal" I said "fair". How is it fair to require one rate for person A and a higher rate for person B?
     
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    How disingenuous, alleged conservative. Fair is also a Social concept not a Capital concept where you get what you pay for.
     
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    No. "Fair" is a simple concept applicable to all sorts of "isms", including capitalism. Ask any child older than four; even they know what "fair" is. How is it fair to require one tax rate for person A and a higher rate for person B?
     
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    I can only agree with you under truer forms of Socialism and not Capitalism where economic discrimination is both legal and socially acceptable.
     
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    You have "appealed to authority" yet again, therefore your argument fails.
     
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    suggesting that progressive tax rates, which have been supported by every president since Wilson.... and the historically highest marginal rate of any administration occurred during the Eisenhower administration.... are somehow the mark of a failed economic system or somehow incompatible with capitalism flies in the face of American exceptionalism demonstrated over that same period of time.
     
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