New simulations suggest we may be able to reopen almost everything. But only IF...

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    They can't confirm heart failure without an autopsy. The numbers are hopes and estimates and guesses. They just are. You can accept them if you like but common sense keeps me at maybe. It has nothing to do with politics other than the politics of those who hope, estimate and guess the numbers.
     
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    In order to do autopsies on bodies that have Covid19 there needs to be adequate supplies of PPE's and the spare medical staff to perform and the labs to confirm any test results.

    There are SHORTAGES of ALL of the above.

    The REASON for those SHORTAGES all gets back to your Covidiot-in-Chief! :eek:

    So we have to use the autopsies that have been done and here are the results;

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...s-skin-issues-involve-blood-clots-2020-6?IR=T

    All of the studies involving autopsies have CONFIRMED that there are BLOOD CLOTS and we already KNOW that blood clots CAUSE heart attacks.

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

    Fact matter and the FACTUAL EVIDENCE is more than sufficient to reach the CONCLUSION that Covid is the cause of the EXCESS NUMBER of heart attacks.

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200415/covid-19-can-trigger-serious-heart-injuries#1

    That is a 300% INCREASE per day!

    What changed to cause that 300% INCREASE per day?

    Covid19!

    There is NO OTHER rational explanation!
     
  3. HumbledPi

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    If you live in either Arkansas, Florida, Arizona, Texas or Florida, you are about to find out that it's not only very deadly but it is outrageously, immensely contagious. A person can even get this virus through the mucosa of their eyes!

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0591_article
    "asymptomatic patient demonstrated virus shedding, indicating potential virus transmission in the absence of clinical signs and symptoms."

    "Cell shedding". This is what can occur when you have people that have no symptoms at all, nothing. They walk around, la-de-dah, without a mask and unknowingly are spreading that virus to many people they come into contact with. Maybe the nice old lady that just checked out his bread and bologna at the supermarket. She may be 60 years old but this virus may kill her if she becomes infected WITH YOUR CELL SHEDDING!

    The intestines, kidneys and other organs may also be affected by the virus during hospitalization. Hospitals aren't only short of ventilators, IV tubing and PPE, they're short of dialysis machines because renal failure is common.
     
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  4. HumbledPi

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    This is what continues to confuse people and make them believe it's no big deal. Yes the common flu claims a lot of lives however there are 4 types of common flu viruses and each type has 5–30 strains and each strain my have hundreds of sub-strains. So the numbers they are throwing out there is based on hundreds of strains of the flu added together. The Coronavirus, known as Covid-19 is one strain with the power to destroy our world as we know it in a very quick manner and once it makes it's rounds it has the potential to regroup and become stronger and more resistant and make another round.

    I don't know where your 'neck of the woods' is but I'll assume you live in a more suburban or country area. There are no states that haven't had any Covid-19 deaths. Wyoming has the lowest number of cases, and Maine, Vermont, West Virginia, Hawaii, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming have all recorded fewer than 1,000 cases overall on the same date. Certainly urban cities will have more cases and more deaths. Making masks mandatory will most certainly save lives in the long run and help get a state into the phases of re-opening slowing. But nobody is going to stop someone living in Maine or in Wyoming on a 1,000 acre ranch to ticket them for not wearing a mask, that's just silly. Nevertheless, the only way, and I seriously mean the only way to stop the spread of this is to mandate masks and social distancing nationally. Nobody gives a damn if Aunt Betty is getting eggs out of the hen-house without a mask. But any person that comes into contact with the public no matter where they live, absolutely should be wearing a mask.

    Incidentally, this pandemic is not the 'Wuhan virus', the official name for this virus is Covid-19 and accepted as such worldwide.
     
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    What are we supposed to do? Wear goggles? This is why the CDC is getting ridiculed so badly, saying this and saying that. Flip-flopping like fish out of water. Cell shedding? Really? Remember how it was about stressing the hospitals out once upon a time? Now its never talked about? Even if people bought into the idea of cell shedding, you know masks wouldn't stop it, right? Because your DNA, cells, lives also in hair follicles, including the top of your head. And people lose at least a 100 hair follicles a day. There are times when being a skeptic is called for, and this is one of those times. The scientific community is depending on keeping their stories straight to maintain credibility, and I normally stand behind science. We don't need what sounds like it would come out of Pokemon from the CDC, that doesn't hep their case.

    And lastly, didn't the WHO basically admit that asymptomatic people not showing symptoms are unlikely to transmit the virus?
     
  6. HumbledPi

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    Actually, there's many people in my state that are wearing both a face mask and a full see-through plastic face shield. There has been no flip-flopping in recent months. In the beginning, when the CDC was still in the primitive stage of gathering statistics and coalescing with scientists and virologists all over the word, there may have been some lackadaisical recommendations, only because they simply did not have enough information or statistics yet.

    As the pandemic burned through New York in particular, they were able to do more contact tracing, they had increasing numbers of new infections to document the numbers of new cases requiring ventilator support, discovering how many people were infected but asymptomatic and learning more about the transmission.

    Remember, this is a virus that's unlike any other pandemic, this virus is 60 times more virulent than the worse coronavirus ever seen by mankind. It not only affects the respiratory system but scientists are discovering it affects the heart, kidneys and circulatory systems. Nobody knew that in February or March. It wasn't until mid-April that they were figuring all this out including the methods of transmission of this virus. They said we were all alarmists and making a big deal out of nothing. But every person here in the NE either has a family member that died, had it and recovered, or know someone in their town that has had it. It touched everyone's life here. We knew that it was going to threaten other states and took no glee in that. We tried sounding the alarm but we were brushed aside and called 'alarmists'. We tried our best to raise the social consciousness.

    The rate of death for influenza typically runs about 0.15%, or, 1 death per 750 infections. While the data is changing rapidly, the current death rate of the Covid-19 is about 2.5% of infections. That means that this particular Covid-19 is about 15 times more lethal. Should the Covid-19 spread as broadly as influenza, there would be about 10 million deaths.

    In March when the hospitals in NY were running short of ventilators, masks, gowns, gloves, IV tubing, ventilator tubing and medications to put in the vents, people in the rest of the country weren't that concerned. After all, it was happening to a 'librul' blue state filled with elites, right? Well that's totally wrong of course, but what is right is that nobody in any other part of the country really gave a damn. They claimed it was a hoax, they claimed it was no worse than the flu, they claimed it would magically disappear in the Spring or when the hot weather came.

    So states like Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, never braced for this or even believed it would affect them at all. "It's hot here- that virus can't live in heat". Now we know that's absolutely false. States opened up, opened their beaches, bars, restaurants, gyms, etc. Now we're seeing the effect with thousands more diagnosed each day and the death toll rising. These states can't put the genie back into the bottle once it's been released and they're going to go though what New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Michigan have gone through.

    Covid-19 wasn't like a a national earthquake that shook the ground everywhere at the same time. This is like a tsunami that came ashore in New York and those waves slow-roll in an expanding diameter reaching far-away states gradually. It's not going to reach those states at a less infectious or less virulent rate. It's going to hit these states hard, just as it had in New York. Unless people start wearing masks and maintaining social distance, it's not going anywhere, it's here to stay and will begin all over again in the Fall. It's really not a difficult thing to do and it makes a profound difference in infection rates.
     
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    Part of the reason I'm against forcing everyone to mask up is I can state, from personal experience, of being exposed for months on end in public without a single symptom. That means I wasn't even asymptomatic. If I can pull it off, certainly others can as well. I checked the stats today, and out of 2,584,914 reported cases, 1,073,328 have recovered from the virus, far surpassing that of the death count at 127,995. We fixate on the amount of deaths, but not the growing number of recoveries. It is a new virus, but the numbers certainly do not guarantee a death sentence for anyone who catches it.
     
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    The point is, those that are fortunate enough to survive this virus may pass it to five others who may not survive it. Of course it's not a death sentence, nobody ever said it was. But for 127,000 Americans, it was. That's a lot of American citizens that through no fault of their own had their lives ended and all in the span of 3 months.
     
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    I agree that 127,000 American lives lost is a grave number, but its only 11% of the total outcome for all US cases. 89% of which have recovered. Statically, it suggests that one has a high chance of survival with COVID, even if it spreads to five people.
     
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    I do not want to wear mask, no one has presented any evidence that mask help in any way.
     
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    Those numbers are exaggerated we all know that.
    The numbers are not different then seasonal flu, especially if it is new type of Flu.
     
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    Oh.... I see. You're one of those cover-ears-and-eyes "nananananaaa... I can't hear you....nananana" Trump supporters.

    For a second there I thought you were somebody who wanted to be taken seriously. My bad....

    You follow Trump's mandate to "not believe your lying eyes" mandate admirably.

    A waste of time. But I promise not to take you seriously anymore.
     
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    I am not sure what world you live but two facts make me to believe that Coronavirus horror is a fake news.
    1. Medical facilities financially encouraged to report death from coronavirus.
    2. Only absolute numbers of death are reported instead of real statistical data derived from moving averages values.
    Those facts have nothing to do with Trump.
     
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    It is a new virus which means there is no endemic immunity. This means it will spread rapidly. The CDC and WHO agree that before the season is over, about 70–90% of the American population will catch it (for comparison, only about 5% of the population catches the flu each year). There are approximately 60 different coronavirus that cause seasonal flu. Covid-19 is more infectious, more virulent, there is no vaccine for it.

    Oh really, exaggerated? Well, I will refer you to a statement put out by the CDC 3 days ago.

    To date, 2.3 million Americans have had confirmed coronavirus infections, but by the CDC's estimates, the real number could be at least 20 million.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...ave-had-coronavirus-heres-who-s-at-highest-ri

    Just now on television, Mike Pence is speaking and YES, he's FINALLY advising to wear a damned mask. It's 3 months to ****ing late but better late than never, or is it?
     
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    Did they all die?
    Testing positive for coronovirus does not mean anything, those viruses are everywhere and they are not separable from humans.
    Give me real statistics (moving averages) how many people have died comparing to common flu and then we can agree or disagree.
    The problem is
    1. Death number is exaggerated because doctors and medical facilities have financial incentive to report fake coronovirus death.
    2. MSM is reporting absolute numbers, instead of real statistics.
    3. We do not have any evidence yet, that mask can reduce number of infections in the long run.
     
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    Seriously, does it mean any less if 20 million people didn't die? You just aren't getting this at all and you're running out of time to 'get it' because you're going to be left behind by the crowd who eventually will.
     
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    Crowd is just plain stupid, it is a mob mentality, very dangerous actually.
    It is like when government irradiate people with X-Ray in the Airport.
    Totally dumb, useless and harmful, but it helps government to enslave people.
     
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    Take a ride to Houston and go out into a crowd somewhere, see if you're comfortable without a mask to protect you.
     

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