Well you can't really debunk that that would be singing that you can't use a weapon defensively have you ever heard of a military? Have you ever heard of police. Show me numbers of people who've used guns defensively. You're going to say zero you're out of your mind. The military the police private security all these things wouldn't invest so heavily in weapons if they weren't useful.
Harvard can't possibly debunk the fact that weapons are used defensively. So really this is just the numbers thing so give me the number of people that have used guns defensively and it can't be zero because the whole point of weapons which guns are is to be used defensively.
So you can't explain why it's common sense. I think you're just saying it's common sense because you can't figure out how to explain why it is essentially you're ducking the argument. Weak. Must be all that common sense you're just overloaded with. Lol
The Harvard study looked at each case and the evidence to the incident. They found that the vast majority were debunked when the person claimed their gun saved their life in self defence. "A guy came to door in the night, I got my gun, put the outside light on and he ran away, my gun saved me". Er, no, putting the outside light on frightened him away.
Why would anybody waste time telling you of anything since in your mind you've already made up your mind that certainly that never happened. You have zero clue what people on this forums personal life experiences may have been. There is no speaking to a closed mind that is already made up. I personally had an experience we're just the threat of a gun stop three punks from furthering their assault that started by hitting me on a bicycle with their vehicle. But why should I waste any time telling it to you?
Nope and I don't object to things like Hunter's safety with regard to operating firearms on public land. they are. If you just whip your gun out in any of these places and start firing at randomly you're going to get arrested. Those regulations already exist I'm not seeing the common sense here. again if you just flip your gun out and start shooting it just in any old place you're going to get arrested. These regulations aren't on the gun that's on the behavior. That's already regulated heavily. Anybody can walk around with baseball bats that sporting equipment are you not allowed to do that in your country you have to call the police to take your kids to baseball practice? Yeah anybody can have a knife I carry one with me a lot it's a tool it's not a weapon. And yeah they should be able to walk around carrying guns as long as they're not whipping them out firing them off what's the problem?
What's considered a gun use? I've used mine tens of thousands of times and it was never defensive so these statistics aren't Stark. If anything they reflect higher numbers than what I mentioned. What's 1 to 2% of 10,000?
The data you presented is arbitrary it talks about gun uses people use their guns all the time they could use their guns between the ages of 18 and 70 every day of their life and never use it for self-defense.
strikes me more confirmation by us because Howard Harvard no if the gun safe their life or not that would require them to know what was in the head of the other person at the time. No it wasn't debunked you just Cherry picked information you like. How does light frighten people do you think no crimes happen during the day? The light coming on frightened the person because they know someone's awake and could have a gun. If they knew you didn't and they knew you they could overpower you and that wouldn't stop them and they wouldn't have been frightened. People aren't scared of light.
I find it difficult to find any Americans that have safe gun common sense, just like how you're displaying. Is it common sense to leave loaded guns lying around at home? For those lacking common sense, children can shoot family members, more chance of being stolen due to a break in, in a domestic situation, can be quickly grabbed and used in the heat of the moment. Is it common sense to take weapons into public areas? For those lacking common sense, they've brought a weapon that can be used against the public, if a fight broke out in a pub etc.. rather than a few suffering a black eye, kicked testicles etc.. you have people stabbed and/or shot, plus stray bullets can and do hit innocent bystanders. Is it common sense living near a school to put your shooting target on your back fence in line with a school? Would common sense not tell that person that stray bullets could hit children? Maybe American schools should put common sense on their curriculum. Is it common sense to drive past a school at 100mph? Surely you can figure that one out.
The data was from two main sources - the NCVS and an analysis of homicides using guns You have yet to validate YOUR claim of 2 million DGUs per year
I'm very opened minded, that's why I like forums in the UK and America. I also have a passport and visit many countries to find out about their culture. I'm not xenophobic and shout at others, "You're not British, so it's nothing to do with you, butt out". And of course, I'm sure you could have cycled off to one side where they couldn't "hit you".
That's pretty funny if you look at your last source because it's saying that victims of violence rarely use a gun. No kidding? They were not victims of violence because they stopped the violence before it happened. Hardly PhD level rocket science to figure that out
Nope! Kleck was well and truly debunked https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Well if you're actually interested I'll tell you what happened.... It was about 20 years ago and I was in a suburb in Tampa cycling on the far right hand side of the lane like you're supposed to do here. I was going roughly 13 miles an hour on my mountain bike. The next thing I know there is a vehicle next to me with an open passenger window and three punks grinning at me and before I could figure out who they were and why they were so close they intentionally sideswiped me. I saw it coming at the last second and fortunately I had the curved mountain bike bar ends. And I leaned hard into the truck as they swiped me. It hit my bike hard enough to knock the chain off but fortunately I did not go down and I credit that to the bar ends. They stopped about 50 yards away and begin turning around. I retreated into a dark spot behind a low wall and I told them to come on down here and get shot you mother f******. They pulled right up in the street in front of me about 60 ft away at this point. I had a shiny bicycle pump in my hand that I kept in my backpack. Evidently my bluff worked because they would not get out of the truck and approach me. They meant to hurt me and hurt me bad. If I would have actually had a gun I would have been justified in opening fire. And I know in their mind they were sure that I had one because what crazy fool would sit there and wait for three of them to jump you? Now you can feel free to go ahead and doubt that all you want but that's what happened to me. Ask Bush lawyer because I told him the same exact thing three or four years ago when I first signed up here and of course he called me a liar
Saying I don't have common sense because of your pathetic inability to make a cogent argument is probably why you don't understand this. what use are they in a situation where you would need one if they're locked up? Do you know what a weapon is for? who just has children randomly entering their house? This doesn't sound like common sense. yes. That's most likely the time you would need a weapon. again that's regulated you can't just yank your weapon out and start firing it at people. And you do understand you can kill somebody by punching them right? I'm just supposed to let someone kill me so you can have this false sense of security? generally speaking that's illegal. that's why it's illegal common Sense would have told you that so are you sure you're using common sense? I'm not sure you possess it. The whole stray bullet thing common Sense would have told you that not to post that. Does common sense tell you that we enforce speed limits here? Okay I'm starting to get the idea you don't know the first thing about America you just think it's sort of like this anarchy free for all or people are just running around just walking into place and shooting their guns off in the air and driving their cars through people's houses? I'm not sure you're a good source on what is common sense. I'm not seeing any evidence that you possess it.
And that is nothing to the morbidity https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/cost-surviving-gun-violence-who-payshttps://www.aamc.org/news-insights/cost-surviving-gun-violence-who-pays Glad that is American tax dollars not mine……
What is violent crime, it's an umbrella term. What constitutes violent crime, thus, victims of violence in different countries? So what is a victim of violence?
