New York dealing with deluge of migrants, media admits it is crisis

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Republican plan by the governors of Texas and Florida to bus migrants to New York City is working.
    New York City has declared a crisis, and even Progressive Left-supporting publications like Vox are describing it for what it is.

    They mayors office estimates the city would spend $12 billion over three fiscal years to shelter and support the tens of thousands of migrants projected to arrive over that period.
    Let me translate that and do the math for you. That is around $100,000 per person per year!

    Obviously these New York progressives are not able to figure out how to efficiently house migrants. This might seem puzzling to many people, but actually it is really not surprising at all. Other cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles are the same way. Their "plans" to try to start housing the homeless have involved ridiculous impractical costs per person.
    All these progressive cities know how to solve a problem is to just pass another nice-sounding law, or throw lots of money at the problem. There's no common sense or rational leadership.

    The mayor is now calling on the federal government to help deal with the problem.

    Where was the federal government when Texas was complaining about the migrant crisis?

    New York City has already secured $104.6 million funding from the Federal Emergency Management Agency through a new federal Shelter and Services Program.
    Emergency funding going to migrants who are equivalent to illegal aliens.
    But that funding is not enough, New York City says they need much more.

    New York state has set aside $1 billion dollars in the state budget for the city's migrant programs.

    I think this demonstrates that government can throw a lot of money at a problem and still not solve it.

    Both the governor and the mayor, of course, are calling on the federal government to issue expedited work permits to the migrants.

    Vox says that for both the governor and the mayor, "high immigration levels are becoming a reality they can't ignore."

    NYC calls on the state and feds to help care for migrants - Vox
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    When a water pipe bursts and water is pouring in you don't call for more money, or more buckets, or others to capture some of the water, or a pump to help remove the water -- you stop the flow of water at its source. Duh.
     
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    I’ve never seen a “stunt” so effective at making a point.
     
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    Thank you, I am sharp.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

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    Equating the plight of human beings with a water leak. How very unsurprising.

    Congress has not passed comprehensive immigration reform since 1990 despite significant changes which have taken place in the intervening decades, such as climate change, conflict, and serious economic hardship accelerating migration. Stopgap solutions like visas for undocumented workers and paths to citizenship programs, as well as more draconian measures, such as labelling any undocumented person a felon, have all failed over the years. As a result, dysfunction has crept into every level of government, from Congress to City Hall, which is contributing to the crisis in New York City.

    House Repubs blocked a bipartisan reform bill that passed the Senate in 2014.
     
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    So they admit its a problem, but they still cant admit the solution- its not on us to provide for everyone who comes here. Do we spend $100k/year on each of our homeless citizens? Why the hell would we spend that to put up migrants?
     
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    You display an incomprehension that the purpose of an analogy is in the equating of logical comparison and not a literal comparison.

    But very typical of leftie tactics! How very not surprising.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's nothing logical about the comparison of fixing a water leak with the complexities of solving the problem of the desire of so many human beings to improve their lives, and the lives of their children, by immigrating to the US. Your inability to comprehend that is apparently a rightie thing.
     
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    You reap what you sow. I used to feel bad for the citizens living in these cities who have to put up with this but I don't anymore. Citizens of major US cities overwhelmingly support the Party that does virtually nothing to combat illegal immigration and even openly welcomes and supports it. If you voted for and/or supported a Mayor that openly called your city a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants then I've got nothing for you. I actually believe this is a good thing and a good learning point for folks overall. If more people were forced to directly feel the effects of policies/politicians they support then maybe they'll start paying more attention come election season.

    Or don't and keep voting for this stuff. Makes no difference to me, my town isn't flooded with illegal immigrants sucking up our resources. I hope they actually start putting them in folks houses like they were talking about.
     
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    So you admit you totally botched your initial argument along a literal comparison and have pivoted to a logical one.

    Unfortunately for you, you have provided no logical argument, merely blanket statements. Do you need to be educated further on how to make logical arguments?
     
  11. Steve N

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    New York has asked Biden for financial help along with allowing the illegals to be housed on a military site and he shot them down. I'll ask this again, does anyone think Biden will campaign in NYC this year?

    Another point I saw someone make is Biden's open border policy is allowing the cartels to make tons of cash as illegals pay them to get them to/across our border. Another story I saw reported on the stories the illegals told about their travels to get here, they saw tons of dead bodies and the women get raped.

    Mexico is allowing these people along with the drugs they smuggle to travel through their country and they need to be held accountable. On top of that, any so called asylum seeker needs to go back to their home country and properly apply to come here. As it stands now the backlog for an asylum hearing is 9 years, who knows how many anchor babies the women will be cranking out. As it is, pregnant women are already coming across our border.

     
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    The only way to make the left learn their lesson on sanctuary cities is to keep sending them all to the SAME PLACE for one whole year, then dedicate another whole year to another "sanctuary". Mayor Adams has one tiny fractions of what Texas deals with on the daily and he already needs a diaper change
    What a whiny WUSS!!!!
     
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    Feigning concern for the plight of human beings is no better. Illegal immigration provides a steady flow of money for the cartels to expand their industry. Human trafficking, sex tourism, extortion, drugs, child exploitation, etc. Dems cannot honestly claim concern for humanity any more than one can claim to care about birds while placing a feeder on an electric fence.
     
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    Give him some time, he just learned what an analogy is and there’s no telling how good is his memory. He’ll probably come back mad as hell thinking you’re saying people are same as birds
     
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    The ironic part is most of the illegals being shipped to NYC are coming from the Democrat Mexican mayor of El Paso.
     
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    It was easy for idealistic liberals to advocate sanctuary cities and encourage fence hoppers when it was somebody else's problem.

    Their great ideas usually dictate and mandate somebody else bear the burden.

    They couldn't have cared less the strain in pit in southern states. They are after all generally Republican.

    Now they have a crisis. It's the only way to show them that idealism to create a utopia doesn't work in reality.
     
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    I don't know what Adams can do about the illegals, but he wanted the job of being mayor. NYC residents should hammer their congressmen and senators along with bombarding the WH with letters and phone calls.

    Biden created this mess and so far he's been dead silent on the issue.


    Queens residents accuse Mayor Adams of ‘destroying’ NYC with handling of migrant crisis

    Fuming New Yorkers accosted Mayor Eric Adams over the weekend, claiming he is going to “destroy” the city with his handling of the migrant crisis — as the mayor made a subtle dig at President Biden.

    Queens residents protesting a “tent city” at Creedmoor Psychiatric Center held signs and chanted “No Tent City” and “One-Term Mayor” on Sunday during a post-Indian Parade event at St. Gregory the Great Church in Bellerose.
    .......................
    Phil Orenstein, a leader in the Queens Village Republican Club, urged Adams to “tell your president” to stop sending migrants into New York.

    “My president? There’s one president,” Adams replied.

    Heard on audio, Orenstein expressed the anger of the community over the migrant encampment at Creedmoor — and told Adams to “send them back” to Mexico and Washington, DC.

    “What about Rikers Island? There are abandoned buildings there. They have 20,000 to 30,000 [migrants] there. But not at Creedmoor. Not in our neighborhood. You’re going to destroy our community, destroy our property values. There’s going to be crime. There’s going to be drug taking,” Orenstein said, according to the audio.

    “People are devastated. The idea of bringing 1,000 single, able-bodied migrants right into our neighborhood. There’s no curfew. They’re unvetted. What diseases do they have? Who are they,” he vented.

    Orenstein continued, “What I need for you to do as one of your constituents is send them back to Washington, DC. Send them back to Mexico. Have some guts. Stand up for your people. We are your people!”

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/queen...-adams-of-destroying-nyc-amid-migrant-crisis/
     
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    It is often said that the U.S. immigration system is broken and requires massive changes to fix it. While the system is broken, the proposed changes under S. 744 and similar proposals in the House of Representatives only add to the confusion and do not address the root problem—the dereliction of duty by successive presidential Administrations to enforce existing immigration laws. This lawlessness has reached unprecedented levels under President Obama, and serious efforts are required to restore America’s faith in the executive.

    Adding an Obamacare-style immigration bill will only confound the issue, expanding government, increasing costs, breaking the rule of law, adding special interest loopholes and handouts, and further harming security and enforcement efforts, all while ignoring the laws that currently go unenforced, and placing the costs firmly on the shoulders of American taxpayers and prospective immigrants trying to come to the U.S. legally. The U.S. should resist these harmful, bloated policies and realize that simple solutions, such as enforcing existing law and using existing authority responsibly, are a must for fixing the broken U.S. immigration system.


    https://www.heritage.org/immigratio...ates-immense-obamacare-style-immigration-bill


    9 years later and the left still isn't getting the message.
     
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    EVERYBODY wants to improve their life.

    That isn't defense to bust out the checkbook.
     
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    The democrats want the republicans to pay for them.
     
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    Wanna fix the ILLEGAL migration problem?

    Only procees applications for migration or asylum at overseas offices attached to our embassies. Anyone showing up at our borders ILLEGALLY is deported with no alternative.

    Do that, and we stop the long, expensive, dangerous treks to our borders, strangle the human smuggling trade, and bring order to immigration to America.

    Oh, and we secure our borders.
     
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    How do we secure our out-of-control southern border?
     
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    If we only process applications for immigration and asylum at our overseas offices, people no longer have a reason to try and sneak across our borders. Anyone caught can be immediately deported with no recourse, or if they are smugglers or terrorists dealt with accordingly. Our border patrol spends far too much time rounding up and baby sitting ILLEGAL migrants. This also eliminates the need for desperate people to make a long, dangerous, expensive trip for nothing. They can go to our closest embassy or ICE office and know in short order if they will be allowed entry into the US.
     
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    I salute you for offering a sane and orderly process to deal with the illegals crossing our southern border. Just being nice and orderly doesn't stop the drug smugglers or the people sneaking across that border to get on Uncle Sam's teat.
     
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    No it doesn't. But if the border patrol isn't wasting so many resources dealing with ILLEGAL migrants they can concentrate on drug smugglers and human traffickers and terrorists.
     

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