Nigel Farage visits Bulgaria. Talk Show host goes tough on him.

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  1. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    As Nigel visits Bulgaria, he is properly lectured by Bulgarians in regards to the realities of immigration. Nigel keeps making statements of the kind that Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants are going to flood the UK in January 2014. As the General elections in UK are getting closer, he obviously needs an extra carrot on the stick for his voters. His constant clinging to this argument has no practical value other than that.

    The Bulgarian people including the poor people feel offended by his well known statements that if he had been a Bulgarian he would migrate to his UK. Does he know what being a Bulgarian is like? Does he know what being an eastern European is like? Can he say 3 words in Bulgarian? NO! Can he build a coherent sentence in any foreign language whatsoever? NO! Obviously NOT... This video shows how little he knows about the rest of the world, a rest of the world that he keeps talking about in his speeches. We are talking about people living 2000 km away. Yet he thought he, the civilized man, was going to explain to them their own thoughts. At home in the UK and in the European Parliament he is used to preach about what they are going to do in the future and stuff like that. But he can't know what others are gonna do can he?.

    The happy Bulgarians explain it to him so clear... they do not need his UK, his market, his social services. They just don't need anything that has anything to do with the UK. End of story.


    I think Bulgarians in this video got quite even with him if not higher... If only he had been to Romania... But I think he's had enough. He might fear dealing with Romanian arguments, since Romania is a country that is doing a lot better economically than Bulgaria, the standards of living are higher and people are more nationalistic.

    I also believe that in this video Bulgaria is pictured in a very bad, subjective way. Despite their economic problems they have good infrastructure for their stage of post-communist development.

    [video=youtube;kuxksNkmFiw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=kuxksNkmFiw&list=WL0967CB1BE5FCAE29[/video]
     
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    tell me how and a gipsy family should do in order to get social befits (worm house, job). why it does work for them in Sweden?
    anyway Bulgarians(not gypsies) can work and do much better in general in Moscow , its for sure
     
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    Please rephrase I don't understand your question.
     
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    have you seen this program? this idiot said to the gypsy family that if they´d move to UK they could get all social benefits directly, question: is it that easy for a gypsy family to get UK´s social benefits?
     
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    The right-wing nutters really believe that people move elsewhere to starve on inadequate social security. In fact they work hard and pay taxes to fund our pensions. Set Farage to do some useful work, like filling hot air balloons for parties!
     
  8. Vlad Ivx

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    Well the answer is obviously no. Nigel knows that so well but an object of fear to be used by the scaremonger helps him towards 10 Downing Street. The gypsies who are rich including the rich, influential crime gangs prefer to stay at home where it's comfortable for them, where they have connections, where they know how things work rather than be watched by the eye of that UK big brother. Anyone who can employ reason reaches this conclusion.

    Those who are extremely poor, that grew on the streets, including the street petty criminal category who have a wish to migrate have already done so... in fact long ago. There is no stopping them since 1 January 2007. So the lifting of the last restrictions in January 2014 is not going to impact anything, nor the crime level nor their social service system. And why is that? To answer your question, those in the poor category inevitably are turned down by any landlord, considering they would ever bother to try rent a home, let alone walk into the office of a social worker. They won't.

    Their condition does not allow it!! They are not there for work rights or benefits in the first place and never will be. They are the category who might go to the UK to beg or have a street life rather than demand benefits. THEY DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH!!! They are illiterate in their own language and nevertheless this kind of street life earns them more than the benefits. Nobody is going to employ them and they won't ever think of work either. So lifting the last restrictions on Bulgaria and Romania in January 2014 and the number of immigrants from those two from that point in time onwards are 2 unrelated things, with no connection.

    Speaking of the general populations of Bulgaria and Romania, Nigel thinks it's profitable for anyone from the middle class to demand benefits in the UK. Often mentions a childish number that the UK is going to ''open its doors to": "28 million people" (Bulgaria + Romania). Now what kind of Sci-Fi thinking is that? In fact it's not as profitable as he might like to envision it. That is because moving to the UK requires for the rather human middle classes a home to rent. The child benefit alone is not enough to pay the rent. You need a job for that. And the number of jobs in the UK is limited. And so will be the number of people or families moving there.

    The equation is simple unless you're brainless: The country can't give more jobs than it has. And even if it did, working on the minimum national wage to pay the traditionally high British rent, the bills, all the living expenses, even if you count the child benefits, gets you very much near the same standards of living in Romania. What Nigel does not understand is that working on the minimum national wage is no one's purpose in life, much less working for the minimum national wage in a foreign country 2000 km away. It does sound somewhat more attractive for young workers who choose to go and live there alone or with a working partner in a small room, but that in itself is not such a life goal either.

    Income in Romania is low but renting just one room is manageable. Income in UK is higher than in Romania but so is the rent. So what's the difference? Why would all the effort be worth it? Why would it be since most of the poor people of RO and BG obviously don't speak any English? Nigel Farage should ask himself that question and better quantify his statements about Eastern Europe. One day he might just find the answer to that question: Poor people prefer to be cleaners in their own country rather than in a foreign one.

    Minimum wage in the UK is little over £800 per month. The average decent room for rent is 150 per week bills included.

    800 - 150 x 4 = £200 left for food and various expenses​

    Minimum national wage in Romania is £160 per month. An average decent room for rent is £100 a month

    160 - 100 = £60 left for food and various expenses.​

    In Romania you can buy with £60 as much as you can with £200 in the UK. There is no big difference. What has the average Romanian citizen got to gain in the UK if he moved overnight? Roughly not much. Nigel says they're gonna send some money home. But they still need to survive themselves and 200 is kind of low in the UK... Have 1 child and you have to move from that room to a house. You get a child benefit but also a higher rent. Nothing to gain no matter the scenario.
     
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    Indeed the gap here between poor and rich gypsies is colossal. The poor ones are extremely poor, they mostly rely on begging and what they find at the bin bay to cling to life while the rich ones are multimillionaires. They earn their millions of Euros in ways I don't want to think of. So yeah... gypsies here have just two ways to go in life.
     
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    That’s right. However, sometimes “ordinary” gypsies try to improve their conditions.

    Meeting in the gypsy’s settlement against gypsies – drug dealers.
    [video=youtube;SSkTjAGX_zw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSkTjAGX_zw[/video]

    SWAT took over 3 villas of gypsies - drug dealers.
    [video=youtube;2ptZk_eeWhQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptZk_eeWhQ[/video]

    p.s. Surely they could not run this profitable business without protection (“krysha”) of law enforcement.

    Drug laboratory in the house of a colonel of the federal drug control service of the Russian Federation
    [video=youtube;_rofMIkvNXo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rofMIkvNXo[/video]
     
  11. litwin

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    agreed, the problem here is EU´s Oriental contraction, literally "everything is better in the western part". i was i Romania 7 years ago , its poor some places(gypsy arias) very , terribly poor but UK is not that GOOD as many people(who never been there) think. it has also ghettos , and terrible places to live, good jobs not for everyone ... i m sure many from your middle class will try to get a better live in UK, only because they got brain washed by western mass culture. ps whats situation with your gypsies is it any progress ?
     
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    they do it in Sweden as well , but only inside of social flats ...no houses for them here , again such a groups feel very nice under a corrupt regime
     
  13. Vlad Ivx

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    They will be only a handful. That's because Romania has been part of borderless Europe for 7 years now. By now we've learned EVERYTHING about Western economies. We know what the other countries are like. Mainly through the eyes of the young who in the early days of EU membership went to work in Western Europe and a lot have come back immediately afterwards. Just a clarification for the less informed: since 2007 Romanians/ Bulgarians can enter any EU member only by showing the national ID card. No visa, no passport needed, no luggage control.

    Afraid no. But it has to get better soon.
     
  14. litwin

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    believe me you dont need to learn EVERYTHING from the western e.. everyone here understands that 1 more generation of the industrial food and we all are gonna be the transsexuals, you produce the real food something what all normal people should eat not the zombies crap form the super markets. sell yourself instead "Welcome to Romania, county of Organic food, low taxes and real people"

    why do you think so?

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    Nigel ...what i hate most about this documentary , its a the young women , and respectful men who entertain, this freak . i m 100% sure the only 1 country in the east Europe which ´d give Nigel the proper welcome is Belarus. it`d be jail or beatings if he tries to pull out such a cr¤p . he is a pig and lier
     
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    Well actually I like those supermarkets and fast-foods. Not all are bad. Depends on who owns them and your skills to select only what's best. Like any self-respecting capitalist, I can't dislike them. On the other hand, you shouldn't completely underestimate westerners either. They do know what real food is like but as of 2013 they are too lazy to produce it in their own tiny backyards. Though some do, even if in small quantities but yes... just a few tomatoes, peppers, potatoes but they still do. I have an English friend who has a very good job yet he still likes to grow some vegetables in his square centimeter of a backyard out of fun and I knew others like him.

    Because that's what I see around.

    Well they actually do a good thing. It's good to show hospitality even if the guest has some differences with you. Hospitality... something westerners don't have... yet they call us poor. If they are richer then why don't they welcome us like that... :D If we are poorer as they say, then why do we welcome them so lavishly? And as you know, and all westerners who come here learn, this kind of hospitality is not reserved for the well known people like Nigel. It is indiscriminate and unconditional.
     
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    i m not surprised, Bon Appétit...

    [video=youtube;FEMbWn6ClxM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMbWn6ClxM[/video]
     
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    Skin and bone marrow is not unhealthy. They are parts of the animal we eat. They're ok as long as you know a nice way to cook them. Anyway, most Romanian fast-foods offer chicken breast in the burger. There's no way you can counterfeit that. Also... many fast-foods prepare the meat in the same room as the cash register where customers come and see the whole process. MOST OF THE TIME YOU CAN SEE IT'S PURE PORK MUSCLE! Yummy.
     
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    i ll not call it fast -food , replica of fast-food but not real one, i liked F`F too , not anymore , new my choice is "chicken breast in the burger"
     
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    The talk show host wanted a different argument altogether. But the fact remains, Bulgarians and Romanians can come and live anywhere in the European Union from the beginning of next year regardless of what the national populations or the the govts of countries they choose to live in want, and they can claim social security benefits and must be treated in the same way as the people born in whichever country they choose to live. If other countries are happy with that, that's great.

    Given that there is such deprivation in both of those countries it seems far from inconceivable that many people will choose to leave. When borders were last opened up to Eastern Europe, our then govt predicted and assured us that 15,000 would come to the UK when actually hundreds of thousands did so, but we don't actually know how many did arrive because (incredibly) there are no proper records kept. So, please forgive me if I'm more than a little sceptical of the claims that Bulgarians and Romanians won't come here.

    No one wishes to cause offence to Bulgarians or Romanians, but politicians are entitled to talk about this and must talk about it. To do otherwise is to trample over the concerns of people, especially the working classes, here. We are a crowded country, with huge financial and social problems of our own. UKIP's rising membership, recent electoral success and the apparent change in rhetoric of their rivals suggests that people in the UK are not happy at the prospect.

    If you had ever talked to Farage as I have, you would know that he is a cultured man and has an excellent understanding of the rest of the world.
     
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    God help Britain when all those skanky Romanian and Bulgarian peasants start flooding here.

    It's bad enough with the Romanians and Bulgarians we already have here, robbing people at cashpoints and squatting and setting up camps in places where they shouldn't be doing so. Crime rates in many areas have increased greatly because of the Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants.

    When they start coming en masse to the UK in January 2014 we need to be TOUGHER with them than that idiotic Bulgarian was with Mr Farage. All the Romanians and Bulgarians coming to Britain should be given no benefits whatsoever within the first 18 months at least that they are here. That should stop many of them coming here because it's the benefits they are looking for. All of them should be expected to work.

    Any Romanian and Bulgarians commiting crimes such as cashpoint robberies and illegal squatting, as many do now, should immediately be sent back to their own country and barred from entering the UK for 15 years.

    It's time for our politicians got their act together, grew some balls and started acting more like Mr Farage before the Bulgarians and Romanians come here in a few months' time.

    More than nine in ten cashpoint crimes are committed by Romanian gangs.

    The fraudsters come to Britain specifically to target cash machines, and use a range of sophisticated equipment to acquire the bank details of unsuspecting victims.

    £30million is stolen through the crimes each year. In the first three months of last year, detectives identified 120 Romanians linked to cashpoint crime, with the majority from or connected to the Bacau region.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-robberies-rake-30m-year.html#ixzz2hzTpzYl7


    HOW ROMANIAN GANGS ARE TARGETING CASHPOINT CUSTOMERS

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-distract-customers-try-withdrawn-money.html
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    It'll be you liberals looking for work in 2015 when you are all wiped out by the Tories and UKIP in the General Election.

    Maybe you could join your Romanian immigrant chums and rob people at cashpoints.

    It must have been destressing for you looking at those poll results on immigration for Sky News's recent immigration programmes.
     
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    Why would someone originally want that pesky British savage visiting his house?
    He is playing his own game - it is called nationalistic popularity contest - in his own country. All kinds of hospitality won't change that. We call it casting pearls in front of pigs.
     
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    you are sick ...
     
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    If you don't have a brain buy one. If I wanted to rob people at cash points in the UK I could just do it right now and not wait till January. January won't make any difference. That is because since 2007 RO/BG and UK are separated only by the national ID that you show when crossing border.

    January 2014 is NOT ABOUT OPENING YOUR STUPID BORDER WHICH IS ALREADY OPEN, it's about employment rights and those who rob the cash-points won't increase because employment in the UK is not about robbing the cashpoints. Robbing the cash-points is not about employment by legal UK employers. You seem to believe that UK employers employ Romanians and Bulgarians to rob fellow nationals at cash-points across the country, or at least that's what your reasoning sounds like. Again... buy yourself a brain.

    The links you provided are from private press and therefore have no credibility. Show me official figures and statements provided by the police... if you find any.
     
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    tamora, it's simple math. Your social security benefits are worthless. I've already proven that.

    You mentioned the last opening of EU borders to Eastern Europe. That was in 2007. That is because people back then were stupid enough.

    What your government assured you of is your problem. Fact is that at the moment five hundred thousand Romanians live in the UK indeed. But that's just 2,5% the population of Romania. Of those 2,5% most work legally and have clean records. To me these figures do not look like an exaggeration, a trend by my nation to move there, they look realistic and natural. You have just as many British citizens living outside the UK, working or doing business in other countries of the EU. I wonder how much they'd love to have all that suspended when the UK will leave the EU.

    I hope UKIP will win the elections and leave the EU as fast as possible. Once the UK leaves the EU there will be nothing to hold us back, nothing to hold back European integration.
     

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