Nikki Haley? any chance??

so you just want to vote as an act of participation. That’s nice.

I know many liberal/ left who says “ Winning is not impotent, participating is important, we are all winner”.

Well, if that is your goal who am I to say no.

I am here to win. Joe Biden is here to win. DEMS are here to win. RINO / never Trumper are here to win.

But you Trump supporter just “ participate” in your civic duty. That’s very nice! But make sure not to complain when Joe Biden get recertified in Jan 2025.

 

Very insightful, well-reasoned story at the link -- thank you for that! It dealt more with the mechanics of the processes than with personalities, but it's very welcome information anyway.

Newsom is sitting in the wings, just biding his time and waiting for Geriatric Joe to leave the race 'for health reasons' or whatever seems more plausible to his handlers. Then, already rising as fast as a Death Cap mushroom, we'd see Newsom headlining every mainstream media "news" outlet from coast to coast. And I wouldn't be so sure that "Black Widow" Obama wouldn't be right up there with him -- all feigned 'reluctance' notwithstanding.

Newsom would pull the Latino and liberal White voters, and Michelle would have an automatic lock on all the Black vote, plus all the liberal female vote -- mostly because she's female, too! Any way you 'slice it and dice it', I see that as being a Democrat ticket that can't be defeated... especially if they promise to hand out all the usual welfare and subsidy 'goodies', along with promising to cancel student debt, give "Medicare for All", etc., etc. Since Barack Obama's eight years, we have morphed into a society totally addicted to UNEARNED handouts from the government!

 

So many falsehoods, so little time.

 

May be you should look this up. Most of the federal Government handout goes to RED state.

As a matter of fact 70% US GDP comes from Bleu district.

Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America's economy. What does this mean for the nation's political-economic divide? | Brookings

 

Just a thought on the Iowa deal on Monday night.... Just saw a caucus night weather forecast for the state. Perhaps -20 wind chill across the state, which is likely to depress farmer turnout (as if voting for one of these clowns isn't depressing enough).

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ican-presidential-candidates-nws/72067174007/

2 thoughts.

1. Who would lower turnout help/hurt the most?
2. How exactly will Trump go about blaming his opponents for the weather?

 

Can you spare less than a minute?

 

Good news, I think, for Haley (and the country, considering Haley would be a good candidate and president):

Chris Christie is set to drop out of the 2024 presidential race
Published Wed, Jan 10 20245:06 PM EST
Updated 16 Min Ago
Emma Barnett, Garrett Haake and Brian Schwartz, CNBC

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie plans to suspend his long-shot presidential campaign Wednesday in a 5 p.m. announcement, according to two sources who have knowledge of the campaign and its plans.

Christie is not expected to make any endorsement at this time, according to one of the sources, who speculated that Christie may want to wait until after the Iowa caucus next Monday before making any announcement to amplify its effect.

A Christie fundraiser said she heard from the candidate himself that he would be dropping out.

... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/10/chris-christie-is-set-to-drop-out-of-the-2024-presidential-race.html

 

Chris Christie will now endorse Nikki.

 

What about in states that matter? lol no, she doesn't come anywhere near Trump. New Hampshire's 12 voters don't actually do anything for her in the Primaries. Neither does SC or Iowa.

 

And I would suggest that you examine demographic information that identifies which ethnic and economic segments of the population receive UNEARNED welfare and subsidy handouts from the government ON A PER CAPITA BASIS.

Hint: Which segment comprising ~13.8% of the population receives more than 1/3 of all the UNEARNED welfare handouts...?

 

Quite admirable.

 

We shall see.

 

If Republicans want to stop losing the general election, they will opt for Haley.

 

EXCEPT:
That ain't happening.
The GOP "Base" is too attached to Trump...

 

Anyone who watched the debate last night knows it's beyond any shadow of doubt that Haley is far better candidate than DeSantis. DeSantis spent all his time trying to attack Haley with all kinds of fake news, and rarely addressed the questions asked, while Haley talked about the issues and articulated her positions very clearly and backed them up with fact.

DeSantis: Stick a fork in me Jerry, - I'm done.

 

He's desperate.

 

And Trump is too afraid to show up and have his views challenged, - or he is taking a win for granted. Yesterday he said he'll honor NATO commitment conditionally based on how Europeans treat us (meaning treat him), and I think Americans (and our allies) deserve to know what the heck comments like that are supposed to mean.

 

Oh the demography. No I don’t have to look up, nor I have to dance around the word “ demography” . I know the number.

A great number of African American in RED state lives under poverty and they have no choice but to live on Federal funding and other welfare program. We can talk about why they are poor, but for this post I will stick with your argument. In post # 1202 you wrote

“if they promise to hand out all the usual welfare and subsidy 'goodies', along with promising to cancel student debt, give "Medicare for All", etc., etc. Since Barack Obama's eight years, we have morphed into a society totally addicted to UNEARNED handouts from the government!”

As you posted here, majority welfare recipient are African American in RED state, even if they vote Democrat, their vote really don’t count. Alabama or Oklahoma’s electoral college is not going to DEMS any time soon or OK not going to elect Democrat Senator because African-American vote for DEMS.

The fact is , we the DEMS / Liberal in blue state , who produce 70% US GDP vote Democrat and send our hard earn money in RED state to feed the poor. We vote so government take our money and give it to those who needs it regardless of where they are.

So your argument “ as long as politician promise goodies, people will vote for DEMS” is 100% wrong. We, in Blue state liberals/ DEMS vote so government can take our goodies and give it to needy regardless where they are.

 

As I have posted in the past, Haley look presidential and she sound like the conservatives we are used to before Trump came to politics. Oh , I miss those days.

DeSantis wasn’t bad yesterday but he sounds like politician from Trump era who is more worried about “sex change” and “border wall”.

I didn’t like Haley keep repeating “DeSantislies.com” again and again. That doesn’t go were when you want to look “ presidential”. Beside GOP primary voter are not going to website to verify who lied what.

I don’t agree with Haley but she sound Pre-trump traditional conservative. But one of her answer blew me away and I realized 2024 GOP is far from the conservative I knew. Her answer to “ what to do with 10 million undocumented immigrant in USA” . I hope W Bush was not watching the debate, if he did , he would wonder what happened to his “ compassionate conservatism”.

One of the thing you and @Jack Hays , the traditional conservative has to explain to me is “ why republican hate China so much”.

I understand China is US adversary. They are economic and military power, and US must treat them as such. China spy on us, we spy on them, we try to shift alliance from China, China tries to move alliance from US. Nothing new, two adversaries in world theater.

But every time I watch GOP debate or conservative news the “hatred toward China” , I just don’t get it.

 

You're focused on individual "trees", but I'm talking about the "forest"! Do you understand that using your same argument, I can show that on a per capita basis, there are more welfare-takers in "red" AND "blue" states which conform to identifiable demographic categories?

I'm not sure whether to try to elevate the discussion, or to take the "low road". Here's the low road -- poor people of all colors and racial backgrounds vote Democrat because that's where the 'goody' come from most often and in the greatest quantity. They want 'free stuff' and very little else matters!

The "high road"? There probably isn't even the possibility of such a thing anymore, because a person who derives most or all of his income in the form of UNEARNED welfare and "subsidies" gets to vote -- just like someone who supports himself and his family, pays taxes, etc.

Back to reality, and the matter of Nikki Haley... as much as I hate to agree with anything coming from a disgusting, corrupt clown like Chris Christie, he's probably spot-on in his 'hot mic' comment that Haley would "get smoked" in an election. Why am I so sure? Go back to "low road" above -- Haley isn't going to promise any of the 'goodies' I mentioned in my Post #1202 -- but you can 'bet the farm and the dirt underneath it' that whoever the Democrat nominee is, he or she (or "it") will make definitely make such assurances part of 'the act'....

Like my "hints"? Here's another one:

."What I've done to California I'll be happy to do to THE REST OF YOU!"

 

You know the reason your argument doesn’t hold ?

Because 70% US GDP comes from Blue district. If poor people, who vote DEMS all lived in blue district/ state then the US GDP would have been reversed and RED district would produce 70% US GDP. This is not high or low road. This is simple math.

 

In the debate DeSantis was focused on attacking Haley, while Haley was focused on addressing the issues, and that's why she is the clear winner. DeSantis solution to everything is "I'll fix it, - trust me", and that's not an answer.

Is there too much emphases on China? Maybe, but since they are becoming the most formidable adversary, its best to keep an eye on them/

 

You point to an accurate observation about wealth and the creation of it that's ages-old: "80% of wealth is held by 20% of the population". Familiar? It's the partner phrase to the old business maxim that "80% of your business is done with 20% of your customers.

"Blue" states, like California and New York epitomize the two-class economies that one sees so often in 3rd-world countries -- and it points to WHY so many of the useless peasants from those countries are invading our country in waves! They, like our 'home-grown' indigent class want free-stuff and "goody"... and, as I've said dozens of times -- "goody" means DEMOCRAT!

We're talking about an election, Endeavor, and Nikki Haley, and I'm trying to illustrate why she or any other Republican is doomed in the next election. Take a look at which states have the most welfare recipients and the most 'migrants' from 3rd-world countries:

Link: https://wisevoter.com/state-ranking...nts,1,911,000 households benefiting from SNAP.

I sense we're not going to agree on much, but I will agree with you that I, too, wish that I had a pre-Trump Republican Party back. I became an unaffiliated Independent in 2017 because I saw that the Republican Party had become little more than a 'club' of self-interested RINO's. As a Reagan-Republican, I want a pre-Bush Republican Party back just as much, if not more!

But remember that a shallow-thinking, bombastic egotist like Donald Trump could not have been elected in 2016 if the Democrat Party hadn't already morphed into a Left-oriented, America-hating assortment of "woke" progressives under Hillary Clinton! If anyone is to blame, then, it's probably "Messiah" Obama, who damaged everything he came in contact with, including the Democrat Party itself -- but -- today it's got a huge contingent of voters it can count on, thanks to the fact that since Obama, just over 50% of the population takes one kind or another of UNEARNED welfare and/or "subsidy" benefits. Advantage? DEMOCRAT!

Afterthought: Nikki Haley will "get smoked" because more people want 'free stuff' from the government than they want a pre-Trump Republican Party in power. I wish I were wrong, but in the America of today, I don't see any other possibility....

 

Its actually 80%. 80% of US economic output is generated in blue metro areas. I'm not saying its because they are blue, - its because jobs and corporations reside in metro areas, which just happen to be blue. Why are they blue? Its a good question. Maybe because cities require infrastructure and services, and they cost money, and the money comes from taxes, and Republicans are opposed to collecting taxes.

 

Off course CA has the most welfare recipient. CA is the most populated state. We can go this status and that status and I know we will not agree but keep posting.

So I will focus on the things we agree on.

I am liberal and I don’t agree with Pre-Trump conservatism, but I want the “Pre-Trump Conservatism” back. I want Nikki H to be GOP nominee. That will make Joe Biden campaign lot harder. I will not vote for Nikki, but if she is POTUS on Jan 2025, I can go to bed without worrying she will destroy US democracy or pull out our alliance with Europe or sell out our allies like Australia. I may not like any thing President Nikki will do , but I will have a chance after 4 years to vote her out. But with trump/ DeSantis./ half of the GOP politician like MTG or Gatz , they scare the living day light out of me and most of the liberals.


The reason trump won in 2016 is because Hilary was a bad politician and she doesn’t know how to campaign. Her campaign staff were too arrogant and had no idea. For crying out loud , Hilary was campaigning in AZ and GA but never visited MI or WI . That’s why she lost the election.

I totally disagree with you about Obama.

From foreign policy point of view Nikki H and Biden has very little difference.