Nikki Haley would DESTROY Biden. So shouldn't the entire Republican machine rally around her?

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  1. Alwayssa

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    In order to have an impeachment, you need an impeachment inquiry, which is the House Judiciary Committee this time around. We have 5 current House Resolutions calling for Joe Biden's impeachment, and none have move forward. But first and foremost, you must have some sort of evidence of a crime. Right now, the members of the House who want the impeachment of Joe Biden have the man and now they are searching for the crime. And that is not how any investigation works.
     
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    Like I said, a lot of things can change if Trump is found guilty or one or more of the indictments he is facing. Then the GOP will have that decision to make. right now, they are not making it, just going with who has the biggest bravado.
     
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    We have more than a year before the two major parties choose their candidate for President/Vice President in the 2024 General Convention. Polls right now go with what people are feeling and Trump has not catered to speaking to the general electorate, just the GOP base. That's it. Remember, even Clinton had a commanding lead in 2015 and early 2016. It got a hell of a lot tighter after those conventions and news media outlets were warning that Trump could win in 2016. You want to repeat the same mistake as Hilary did?
     
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    And?
    She has ZERO Chance of getting the nomination...
    So...it is a MOOT Point...Dream On...:bored:
    PS--I believe that the strongest GOP candidate to defeat Biden is Taylor Swift...
    BUT, just like Haley, she has ZERO chance of actually getting the nomination...
    Oh well...Onto 2028...
     
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    The GOP runs an actual primary, unlike the Dems, the "Party Machine" doesn't pick the candidate, the electorate does.

    Trump's at 57%
    Haley's at 6%

    In General election match ups she's beating Bribed Joe, by two, the same as Trump is.

    Trump 48, Biden 46
    Haley 45, Biden 43

    The primary electorate wants Trump far more than they want Haley, and they pick the nominee not the "machine". Your question shows a flawed understanding of the GOP nomination contest.
     
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    And if Trump is found guilty in one or more of the indictments before the National Convention? what then? Allow a convicted criminal to run? So much for the rule of law the GOP keeps pandering to its base.
     
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    He's going to get convicted by the DC jury. No one doubts that, it's a jury poll made of 95% Biden voters and 5% Trump voters. It's an obvious farce, it won't survive appeal, and yes, it won't stop Trump from being elected and serving.

    Getting lectured on the "rule of law" by someone who supported the witchhunt to overturn the 2016 election through illegal spying and who supported the Corrupt FBI/CIA rigging the 2020 election by lying about Hunter's laptop is like being offered firearm safety lessons by Alec Baldwin.

    I'm looking at the polling and the big plan to rig the election through abuse of process and selective prosecution looks to me like it's face-planting. Do you see Bribed Joe as being on the path toward re-election?

    It looks to me like it's Trump who is on the path toward reelection.

    And as for Haley, yes, she'd whip Bribed Joe too, but, she's not the pick of the GOP Electorate.

    Recent national polling:
     
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    One of the big draws to Trump, is that he is not a War Monger.

    I'm not sure about Nikki Haley, and it's a critical point. Right now there are group of people who want to use the US Military to impose global authoritarianism, and I do not want the US military put to that purpose.

    WEF Leader Klaus Schwab Worried About Peasants Waging 'Revolution Against the System'.

    This these arrogant asses can jam up them. They are not part of the legitimate governance of the United States. We are only governed by those we consent to be governed by, and for the purpose of the government more perfectly securing OUR rights, in a JUST manner.

    These clowns have something else in mind entirely.

    'Harari is not at all interested in preserving the “liberal world order” for the sake of U.S. national security or the national security of any state. What he’s interested in is using American blood and treasure to prop up the “liberal world order”—a euphemism for the Western war machine and global surveillance system—to use as a scaffolding upon which he and Schwab will erect their global technocracy.'

    'The technocrats know that China nor Russia can be counted on to fully cooperate with their transhumanist agenda and all that it entails—deindustrialization in the name of fighting “climate change,” transing all of the children and therefore sterilizing them, and ultimately forced depopulation, etc. And, beyond China or Russia, there is no power center they can parasitically commandeer to achieve their aims.'

    'They have penetrated, as Schwab has bragged, the cabinets of Western governments—all of their eggs are in the “liberal world order” basket. Were they routed there—particularly in the United States—their ambitions would be severely threatened.'

    Nikki Haley is firmly behind the US continuing to fund the Ukraine/Russian war, and so are these folks. I don't trust her to put us first. My trust can be earned, but, I find her stances on foreign policy alarming.
     
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    Nimarata Haley quit the ambassador gig and took a position with the MIC sitting on the board of Boeing. Absolutely not qualified what-so-ever. This is what kickbacks look like. She is a swamp rat POS. She ain't fooling anybody.
     
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    the right is not interested in quality candidates. Now, I don't agree with Nikki on many issues, but she is not crazy like Trump, Ramaswamy, DeSantis, et al, are.

    If she ran against Biden and won, I could accept her as president.

    If Chris Christy won I'd accept him, as well. But, I'm not seeing any other candidates on the right who have the qualities to be President.
     
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    Are you kidding? No president in history made the such irresponsible bellicose remarks such as this:





    His military actions are about on par with other recent presidents (Bushes excluded who initiated large scale military operations)
    1. Syria Missile Strikes (2017 and 2018): In response to alleged chemical weapons attacks by the Syrian government, the U.S. launched missile strikes against Syrian military targets in April 2017 and April 2018.

    2. MOAB Strike in Afghanistan (2017): In April 2017, the U.S. dropped the GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (commonly known as the "Mother of All Bombs") on an ISIS-K tunnel complex in Afghanistan.

    3. Operation Inherent Resolve: This was the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. While this operation began in 2014 under President Obama, it continued under Trump, with significant territorial gains made against ISIS during his tenure.

    4. Yemen Raid (2017): In January 2017, a raid was conducted against an al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) compound in Yemen, resulting in the death of a U.S. Navy SEAL.

    5. Continued Operations in Somalia: The U.S. continued its operations against al-Shabaab militants in Somalia, with increased airstrikes and occasional ground raids.

    6. Operation Freedom's Sentinel: This operation in Afghanistan, which began in 2015, continued under Trump. It was primarily focused on counterterrorism missions against the Taliban and other extremist groups.

    7. Operation Pacific Eagle – Philippines: Initiated in 2018, this operation aimed to support the Philippine government's fight against ISIS-affiliated groups in the country.

    8. Venezuela Crisis: While not a direct military operation, the Trump administration did not rule out military intervention in Venezuela amid the country's political and economic crisis. However, no military action was taken.

    9. Deployment to Saudi Arabia (2019): Following attacks on Saudi oil facilities in September 2019, which the U.S. attributed to Iran, the Trump administration authorized the deployment of additional troops and equipment to Saudi Arabia.

    10. Killing of Qasem Soleimani (2020): In January 2020, a U.S. drone strike in Baghdad killed Qasem Soleimani, the head of Iran's Quds Force, escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran.

    11. Operation Sentinel: Initiated in 2019, this operation aimed to enhance maritime security in the Middle East following attacks on commercial vessels in the Gulf region.
     
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    By hook or by crook they won't be allowed go to court before the election, because then the issue becomes states targeting federal candidates with crimes to scuttle their campaigns. (They don't even do it at the state level where they actually have the power to do it.)
    The professional judicial world does not want this tar baby, no one expected such audacity, and they just want it to go away.
    This has amounted to becoming a test case, and that is why red states appear to be willing to hold fire on indicting federal politicians in their states.
     
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    While I didn't know that, I'd caught that "Defense Contractor" vibe. She was also pushing the "but my gonads!' crap in the debate. And she's got that sorority snark crap thing that I found off putting. I was surprised at how well received she was.
     
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    The GOP is dominated by Trump, and the MAGA crowd would rather loose the presidency than choose another candidate in the primaries.
     
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    LOL, do you want a convicted criminal in the WH? So much for the rule of law by a person who is so petty, he even makes Ebenzeer Scrooge look like an angel before his conversion.

    I have said the GOP will not elect Haley because she is a minority woman. The GOP base will not do that. The GOP base is also not acting rational and instead going with the person who has the most "bravado" regardless if Trump is convicted in any one or more of the indictments. As for the impeachment process of Trump, I have not endorsed it twice, but I did argue there was evidence and it was up to the Senate to remove him. I never mentioned one way or the other that outcome from my recollection, but since there was some evidence of wrongdoing, especially by the Mueller Report, which was based the first indictment, then yes, it followed the normal procedures. Same with the second indictment as well, which started in that very public meeting with the Ukrainian Prime Minister who Trump was personally holding any aid to Ukraine unless Ukraine gave him what he wanted. We call that quid pro quo.

    Trump lost the 2020 election, fair and square. Trump won the 2016 election fair and square. But the point with polls is that in 2015, one named Hillary Rodham Clinton was leading in every poll, especially by Trump who entered the race in the summer of 2015. And again, a lot of things can change from now until November. So, my personal opinion is polls are interesting but don't put too much faith into them until September 2024.
     
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    Both the Republican National Convention and the Democratic National Convention have the sole authority to choose whom the delegates to consider. And that is why I said the GOP National convention may be the one to not have Trump considered as the GOP presidential Nominee. If that happens, I will guarantee you that Trump will sue to force the issue, which will probably fall on deaf ears.

    Under current law, it is the political party that decides who the nominee is. They have enough support in which every state has a slot for the Democrats and a slot for the Republicans. Not so much for third parties from the green to libertarians to every other minor third party out there. You need to get petitions signed and enough signatures to be allowed in the state unless that minor political party has, I think, 1% or more of the national vote.
     
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    Ever since she caved to the mob and took down the Confederate flag from the South Carolina Capitol, she lost me. There was lawlessness by the other side, including a protestor climbing the flagpole and taking down the flag. In response to the lawlessness, you don't cave. She caved, and she would cave as president. And the Democrats would turn on her like they did Romney and McCain, if she ever became the nominee. Considering her terrible response to the mob in South Carolina in that context, I don't think she would take on BLM and Antifa if they decide to cause another $2 billion in damages.
     
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    I couldn't care less whether Trump likes Haley or not she comes across as bought and paid for by the Neocon establishment and 40 years of that crowd is twice too many. The Noble American experiment in freedom and self determination is about to come to an if Democrats win one more. And a good 40% of the country has mortgaged there souls to the ridiculous orange man bad mantra that the may well and three year later wonder why they have to get permission to go visit grandma in the government run Nursing home where no one is ever held accountable for shoving grandma in the incinerator because she costs too much money.
     
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    Been shot down twice already by the courts. It might be time to hang your hat on some other half baked bit of horse crap.
     
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    You guys are the ones trying to elect a bribed crime boss, who only got in because of a rigged election.

    I don't support Nikki Haley because I think she's a warmonger. You guys love warmongers so I get why that's not a problem for you.
     
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    POT?
     
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    Which poll is that which has DeSantis in third place?
     
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    I don't understand why you would just not Google "DeSantis falls to fourth in primary poll," or something similar (it was fourth, not as you'd just written, "third"-- read my post you'd quoted, saying that Tim Scott was now third). Here is one of the hits-- not the place I'd seen it, but I figured that The Daily Mail might be a site with which you were familiar, & trusted (even though it is not one of the more reliable ones, and its tiny "articles" suck).

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ace-South-Carolina-poll-evangelical-vote.html

    Either there was more than one poll, or I got my figures wrong. I'd said Haley 19%, Scott 18%, & DeSantis 9%; the DM has Haley at 18, Scott at 10, and DeSantis at 9. I see that WAPO has those same numbers. As long as I was at the Washington Post site, I figured I'd snip this:

    The Fox News poll is one of the first to test not just a Trump versus President Biden matchup or even a DeSantis versus Biden matchup, but to pit all the top Republican candidates against the incumbent president. And of the seven? DeSantis actually fares the worst. Here is how that looks:

    Donald Trump +2
    Nikki Haley +2

    Mike Pence +1
    Vivek Ramaswamy +1

    Chris Christie -1
    Tim Scott -1
    Ron DeSantis -3
    <End>

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/15/desantis-polls-poor-showing/
     
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    It’s not about choosing the candidate with the best chance to win in the upcoming 2024 general election or the candidate with the best chance of beating Biden. It’s loyalty to Trump, making a statement, not winning in the general election. Trump may be about the only republican candidate that Biden could beat. Independents which gave Biden his election win in 2020, 54-41 over Trump were voting to get rid of Trump. But since then independents have soured big time on Biden. Even so, independents really, really, still dislike Trump. Chances are in a Biden vs. Trump rematch, Biden may come across as the lesser of two evils, the least worse candidate, the candidate independents wants to lose the least. Haley would be a much better choice, probably Scott and some others if winning in November 2024 was the goal for the Republican Party. But the goal seems to be, at least today, is supporting Trump even if Trump’s chances of winning next year are poorer than most other announced candidates.


    But that is the Republicans choice. They’ll make it, they’ll have to live with it.
     
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    I will vote for neither Trump nor Biden. I would vote for Haley with enthusiasm.
     
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