Nikki's taking off the gloves.

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  1. Jack Hays

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    She needs a coalition including both Never-Trumpers and Trump loyalists.
     
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    there is a border deal, but now the GOP does not want it. Even Rep. Mike Johnson has stated that "now is not the time for comprehensive immigration reform" which would help curb the situation at the border. Care to guess why that is?

    The main problem is the GOP. It is a house divided within itself. You have certain group of hard right Republicans who want a $58 billion cut in the current budget that will no way pass either the House or the Senate, and thus want a government shutdown. They represent solid GOP safe districts that even if they commit homicide with cameras recording every minute of it, the voters will still vote them back into office. That is where the problem truly lies.
     
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    that wasn't the point. GOP voters will more than likey vote anyone who is the GOP candidate, whether it is Trump or Mickey Mouse. But my point is that she should have done this from day one, not now in New Hampshire where she is still behind, and she still is making mistakes such as her statements in the New Hampshire Town Hall just the other day. Although she still has a chance of winning the New Hampshire Primary, it is slim at best. Trump will more than likely still win, but barely. And once he wins NH, it is all over for the other candidates. It is just a matter of time of when they will drop out.
     
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    The deal was there weeks ago but Biden was held back by his immigration-advocate supporters. That left time for Trump to weigh in, and he has now done that, making a deal harder.
     
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    Lots of people who voted Republican all their lives will never vote for Trump. I'm one of them, and I know many others. Your prejudice is unhelpful.
     
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    I sincerely doubt this assertion. She would be mortgaging her future as a Republican candidate for an endeavor that will definitely end in defeat even if they do make some noise on a no-labels ticket. She is relatively young and very possibly has a bright future in Republican national politics, and doing this would put that in serious jeopardy. The same concept applies to Desantis. They both can be strong candidates in 2028 if they don't screw it up now. They are both young enough that waiting 4 years is not the big of a deal.
     
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    I was about a 50/50 split prior to trump, I haven’t voted but for one republican since and that was for local office. I don’t see how any actual conservative could vote for trump — he goes against everything they have ever supported.

    I do understand the prejudice though, so much of the Republican Party that was previously of independent thought have marched in lockstep with the maga party. It’s hard to differentiate between the two sometimes.
     
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    Yes. Deluding yourself into believing that not voting clears your conscience may be an option for some. But I just burst that bubble. It might have worked in other elections. But these elections are about voting AGAINST the worst of the candidates. If you vote third party or don't vote, that's the same as voting for whichever you consider that is.
     
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    Yes. And in the process she comes through as having NO position of her own. What you describe may be the kind of skill you want in a diplomat. NOT in a President. We need a President who doesn't just do everything that people pressures him/her to do. But somebody who has some sort of consistent plan to guide the nation.
     
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    Please describe the magic spell that she has cast that prevents the press from such reporting.
     
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    DEMS didn’t need to force moderate or so-called traditional conservative republican to choose side if these so-called “normal republican” could accept basic history of USA. Nikki Haley can’t even say slavery is part of the reason for American civil rights. Nikki Haley can’t say in American history there were systemic racism.

    But then what do I expect. Nikki Haley is no John McCain or even Mitt Romany.

    Is it too much for DEMS to expect GOP nominee in 2024 can accept US history as it is?
     
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    Unlike you , I live in swing state Wisconsin. I don’t have the luxury of “my conscience is clear” .

    But I understand your position. If I am not mistaken you are in IL. You vote Biden or not , Biden will get IL's EC vote.
     
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    Apparently Nikki takes off more than just her gloves.

    DeSantis suspends and endorses Trump.

    I'm Suspending My Campaign & Endorsing Donald Trump:
    Governor Ron DeSantis

    They are fishing from the same pond. Most Trump voters' second choice is DeSantis, most DeSantis second choice is Trump.

    "It's clear to me that a majority of Republican primary voters want to give Donald Trump another chance," DeSantis said. "They watched his presidency get stymied by relentless resistance and they see Democrats using lawfare to this day to attack him."

    "While I have had disagreements with Donald Trump, such as on the coronavirus pandemic and his elevation of Anthony Fauci, Trump is superior to the current incumbent, Joe Biden," he said.

    "I signed a pledge to support the Republican nominee, I will honor that pledge. He gets my endorsement because we can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."

    Nikki is just too eager to crawl into bed with Defense Contractors and Democrats, or really a number of folks.
     
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    We disagree.
    Both of the two major party nominees are worse.
    Haley's handling of Republican divisions reminds me of Lincoln's deft touch with the border states in 1861.
     
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    It is a mere DNC talking point to claim Haley did not accept US history.
    I live in Virginia.
     
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    It's all moot because Nikki Haley is not going to be the candidate. She knows it. And she's running to be VP. Which she isn't going to get either.
     
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    Do you believe in USA history systemic racism existed ?
     
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    Nikki may be taking off more than her gloves.

    DeSantis drops out to help assure that Neocon Nikki gets crushed.

    DeSantis Drops Out Of 2024 Race, Backs Trump
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    "One possibility is to leave the race before voting starts in New Hampshire on Tuesday..."

    For most of DeSantis' voters, their second choice is Trump. For most of Trump voters, their second choice is DeSantis.

    Actually, it's not clear that DeSantis has suspended his campaign. Awaiting confirmation.
     
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    Wow , now Nikki Haley is Neocons!

    Nikki Haley’s rise to the political power came from Tea Party and Tea Party’s anointed queen Sarah Palin . Soon I will hear MAGA tell us Sarah Palin is not conservative enough.

    Nikki Haley Poised To Be GOP Pick For S.C. Governor : NPR

    Republican Nikki Haley, a conservative backed by the Tea Party movement, is the heavy favorite to win a runoff for her party's nomination in South Carolina's gubernatorial race.

    Woman On the Verge (newsweek.com)

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    Then former Alaska governor Sarah Palin endorsed her, the Tea Party movement embraced her, and she proceeded to dispatch a U.S. congressman, the lieutenant governor, and the attorney general in the Republican primary and runoff. Now she's the hottest thing in South Carolina politics. And if she wins in November, becoming the state's first female and first nonwhite governor, she'll likely rocket to national prominence and secure a spot in the GOP firmament.
     
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    I doubt she would accept the position of Trump's VP if offered.
     
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    In some places at some times.
     
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    Nikki Halley can’t even admit that without fearing she might lose MAGA support.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am praying Nikki get the GOP nomination. As I have said if Biden is doesn’t win in 2025, I would rather have President Haley then Trump.

    But in today’s republican party you can’t even say systemic racism existed in USA or slavery was one of the reason for civil war. No wonder this party has no future after baby boomers are all gone.
     
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    No. She said the US is not a racist country. I think she's right.
     
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    They use the term 'systemic' racism because of the absence of actual racism. If they had abundant evidence of actual racism, they would simply point to that.

    When Will Nikki Haley Will Drop Out of the Race?

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    She pledged in writing to support Trump after she drops out.

    Trump will pick up most of DeSantis' supporters.

    Haley probably has another month, and maybe up to a week after that.

    GOP voters have had enough of Neocon Foreign Policy. We seldom achieve what it's claimed we are expecting achieve with military action. Desert Storm 1 is the only exception of most of our lifetimes, and we stopped following the Powell Doctrine immediately after it worked so well in Desert Storm 1.

    Trump is the Defacto Nominee. Now the question for most of us is: Trump, RFK or Bribed Joe?
     
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    so you are saying that all younger voters support the creeping crud of collectivism where criminals are coddled and honest people disarmed? where the public teat sucklers can vote themselves the wealth of others?
     

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