NJ: Man sues after officers allegedly shot, paralyzed him while he retrieved ice tea from car

They can ask and he can refuse unless he is suspected of a crime. Suspicious isn’t a crime and not enough to detain or force him to ID.

 

Did he enter the vehicle or was it a traffic stop?

 

I think you are correct....it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

I think it comes down to if he was on parole or something that gives them extra authority to demand things or him or if it was an actual traffic stop.
If it was just a suspicious person in a car, I think he’s got a strong lawsuit

 

So you think because he was asked for an ID, he had the right to run down the cops with his car, smashing into another police car, and now has a host of charges against him.
Is this the lawsuit you're talking about?

And I guess the thousands upon thousands pulled over every day can just tell the cop to F off and drive away now?
How many more excuses are you willing to make for this idiot.

 

You didn't read anything like that. If he wasn't in the drivers seat, how did he start the car and smash the police car behind him. Now you're just making up BS.
If he was in the car, sitting on the drivers seat, and they approached the driver, he must show ID. End of story.

 

Of course not but that isn’t what I read happened. The broke his window, they didn’t just ask. He was detained illegally and attacked…again based on what’s been posted here. If there is more to it that changes things.
After dozens of warnings, the officer broke the glass and Henderson started the car, put it in reverse, and tried to run down the two cops standing behind the vehicle smashing into the police car parked behind him.

 

Being in the drivers seat doesn’t mean he was driving or pulled over when they demanded his ID. If he was then that changes it.
“Police received a call about a suspicious car sitting on the side of the road ”
Sitting isn’t a traffic stop.

 

Yes it most certainly is, where did you get that? He became suspicious due to his actions when confronted by police.

 

Suspicious isn’t a crime. You can’t detain someone without probable cause of a crime.

 

Uh, yes you certainly can. I could detain someone for reasonable suspicion, which those officers had. I did detain people for that, so maybe you should try another angle like a ghost made him start the car and try and run over the police. Dude, learn the law you're getting wrecked in this thread.

 

You're just quibbling. If you are in the car sitting in the drivers seat on the side of the road, you didn't fly there. You drove.
Police have every right to ask the driver for his information.

 

He didn't fly there, did he. He drove there. They have every right to ask the driver for his ID. You don't get the drive drunk all over town, then just park your car on the side of the road and get off.
If the driver is in the drivers seat, and they receive a call of a suspicious vehicle, the drive has to comply with ID information.

 

A crime? lol How many traffic stops involve a crime? lol

 

Scroll up.

Let me correct your statement

So he should have stayed there while the police try to detain him and determine if he was there lawfully or was engaging in a unlawful act as those who called in the suspicious person call gave them reasonable suspicion?

YES

 

He was reported as a suspicious person, that gave them reasonable suspicion to stop and question him. Why did he try to run over the police if he was not engaged in a illegal act and why should the police have let him?

 

https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.c...nton-police-shooting-traffic-stop/6814200001/

 

https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.c...nton-police-shooting-traffic-stop/6814200001/

 

https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.c...nton-police-shooting-traffic-stop/6814200001/

 

The law requires more than just "seems sus" to detain someone. Just because I call the cops and say "Hey, this Bluesguy guy kind of looks funny and I don't trust him" doesn't mean that can detain you, nor should it.

 

Yes like a call from dispatch of a suspicious person.

 

Calling someone in as just being "suspicious" is not grounds for detaining anyone. Cops can try to stop you and ask you questions, but unless the police can actually articulate reasonable suspicion of a specific crime, they can't forcibly detain you. You are free to leave. A neighbor not liking the cut of your jib isn't grounds for detainment, no matter how much you seem to wish we lived in the quasi-fascist police state where that would be okay.

Please, please read: in order to detain, police need REASONABLE SUSPICION OF A SPECIFIC CRIME. Just being subjectively "suspicious" to a nosy neighbor is not REASONABLE SUSPICION OF A SPECIFIC CRIME.

 

is there a youtube link to the copcam video yet?

 

I can't find one. Details seem pretty sketchy at this point. Could go either way. Suspending judgement on the shooting itself until I know more.

 

I agree if that is what happened, still waiting to watch the video of the cop cams