'No person on the planet' would be a better president than Trump

I think you’re right. The Republican primaries will be Trump calling everyone who enters childish names. I’ve never be able to see, understand is a better word what the Republicans saw in Trump to elevate to the position of the presidency and now the leader and face of the GOP. Yes, Trump did beat Hillary Clinton, but Hillary received more popular votes. I believe almost any other Republican at the time, Kasich, Rubio, some others would have defeated Hillary by 10 points, not lose to her by 2. But that is just my opinion, since it never happened, no way to prove it one way or the other.

 

'No person on the planet' would be better than president Trump ...

... to occupy a jail cell.



nobody united the United States like tRaitor tRump.

 

I disagree. Dems proved that getting rid of Trump was their Top Priority and would do anything and everything to oppose him no matter the cost. This would not unite the country. I'd be fine with either a DeSantis or Tulsi run. I'm sure either one of those would win over any Dem candidate put forward by a rather large margin. Both of them appeal to the more moderate and independent voters and if the Dems pull the same stunts against them would end up backfiring big time. They know this, which is why they are still focusing so tightly on Trump while trying to ignore those two (comparatively speaking).

 

He was a political outsider. Not a part of the established political elite. And he's always had the reputation of not taking any guff from people. Obama proved that the political elite didn't really care about the little people. Trump was supposed to be a slap in the face of the political elite. A warning or wake up call so to speak. What many didn't realize is just how corrupt they had become. We now know that the Political Elite will never allow anyone in that is a political outsider to join their club. If anyone dares then they will be hounded until they fulfil Lavrentiy Beria axiom of "show me a man and I'll show you the crime".

 

I think Trump gets a lot of hate and certainly an unfounded amount of TDS exposure, but he certainly is no where near the candiate that could unite and heal this country.

Not by a long shot.

 

Your TDS prevents you from being constructively critical.

I could provide the facts that dispute most of your non-sensical platitudes, but let's both be honest, you aren't really open to that debate.

 

That's not true, David Duke would be a better fit for the MAGA crowd.

 

You could try, this is an open forum and many others read it.

 

Ya, but thats what he was elected to do in 2016. He didn't. He mostly just brought in more of the same. I'd like to think he learned a lesson ...but that stubbornness.

 

Perhaps, Trump may have insured no political outsider will be elected for some time to come. I say that because of the way he behaved as president, that turned off the middle, the in-between group known as independents. It was Trump’s very unpresidential behavior, his childish antics like name calling and throwing of temper tantrums along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bulling tactics. Trump became a very easy person to dislike and independents really came to dislike him.


Had Trump acted more adult like, with decent manners, maybe he might have kept independents on his side. Then again maybe not, Trump may not ever had independents on his side. If one looks at 2016 against Hillary Clinton, Trump won but 46% of the independent vote to Hillary’s 42% with 12% voting third party against both Trump and Clinton. That’s 54% of independents voting against him. Hillary’s 42% along with the 12% who voted against both. Independents didn’t like nor want either one of them to become the next president. But independents disliked Hillary more than Trump in 2016. Then in 2020 after 4 years of putting up with Trump’s obnoxious, rude, crude persona with all his uncalled-for antics, independents broke for Biden 54-41 over Trump. A swing of 17 points, from plus 4 to a minus 13.


Think about who Trump lost to. An old, dull, uncharismatic, uninspiring, unenthusiastic, bland, someone who stayed hidden in his basement for most of the campaign. Biden let Trump be Trump, he let Trump hog the spotlight, the limelight, be the headline news star. He made the election not so much of Biden vs. Trump, but Trump vs. Trump. Between those who liked him vs. those who disliked him. Basically, between those who approved of Trump’s childish behavior and those who didn’t. This holds true today. Had Trump behaved more like most Americans thought a president should without the name calling, temper tantrums, bullying tactics, he very well might have won reelection. Bottom line, Trump defeated Trump, not Biden.

 

81 million plus sensible Americans who have the ability to use at least 2 of their braincells disagree with the OP. LOL

 

thanks for the laugh

 

I don't disagree with any of this. In fact I heartily agree. But I also think he would have "acted more grown up" if Dems hadn't vilified him the way they did. I had thought that they had gone overboard against Republicans back when Obama was President. Then Trump came along and I was gobsmacked by the extent they have gone to. Unfortunately Trump, due to his narcissistic attitude was also prone to conspiracy theories. So that hurt him as well. And while I do believe that Dems stole the election, I do not agree that they used ballots to do it. But that's for another thread really. This thread is about Trumps ability to be President for 2024. I do not think he should be. If either Tulsi or DeSantis gets the nomination I will vote for them over Trump. I would have voted for Tulsi in 2020 if the Dems hadn't done what they did to her. She was by far the better choice out of ALL the Dem and Rep candidates. This despite me not liking her stance on some issues. She at least was sane and MODERATE.

 

Trump didn’t change a bit since he first announced his candidacy for the GOP nomination. He called a lot of Republicans names during those primary days of 2016. But that was fresh, novel and new at the time. It made Trump stand out above all the rest of the field. Trump showed he was a fighter who wouldn’t take any lip. I’m sure a lot of folks thought he’d change once he became president and tone down the name calling among other things. He didn’t which contributed to the increasing number of people who disliked him as a person as time went by.


After 4 years of name calling and throwing temper tantrums, that was more than enough for independents which caused their 17-point swing. It’s much too early for me to have any rooting or supporting interest in who the major parties nominate. I don’t know who I want, I do know who I don’t. I don’t want to see either Trump or Biden run again. Time for someone new.


Only 25% of all Americans want Biden to run again, 56% say no. 29% of all Americans want Trump to run again in 2024, 60% don’t. Questions 20 and 21.


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/o5fgyskici/econTabReport.pdf


Now the 2 major parties have a long history of ignoring what most Americans want or don’t want. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if we end up with Trump vs. Biden once more.

 

I disagree. Trump has always been a disrespectful ******bag. Hell, he was already giving the GOP nominees dumb ass nicknames during the primaries. He even called Ted Cruz's wife ugly and disrespected his father. The media argument is just an excuse rightists use to excuse his crass behavior.

 

When I read the title, I had to make sure it wasn't April. Lol

 

You really can't make that judgment call based on the fact that Trump was rejected. Trump is a special case. Hell, he WANTED their rejection, because he then repackaged it and sold it to his supporters(for votes and donation) as him being heroic and fighting the fight, yada yada yada, etc etc etc. He was an antagonist who didn't know what he was doing(he's great at marketing, terrible at everything else) and hijacked the presidency for his own self-promotion. Not exactly the best case to use to make your point.

If you get an actual adult into office who is a political outsider, you'll get a better situation with which to judge this.

 

Screw that! When he attacked gun rights he lost my vote forever. F trump

 

There is no indispensable man or woman to lead this country. That is especially true when that person is headed toward 80 years old.

The OP sounds like the people who elected Franklin Roosevelt to four terms as President. Yes, he was a strong leader, especially during most of World War II. By 1944, his health was gone, and his time had run out. The country was fortunate that the Democrats replaced far left loon, Henry Wallace, with Harry Truman.

Let’s hope the Republicans can resist the urge to continue with Donald Trump. His conduct after the 2020 election ruined his image with a lot of people. My wife, who is a life long, level headed Republican, wants no part of him. She is not alone.

 

Except that IS why he was elected. :shrug: And why people still support him. @perotista said: "I’ve never be able to see, understand is a better word what the Republicans saw in Trump to elevate to the position of the presidency and now the leader and face of the GOP" I was explaining to him why.

 

Correct, that is trump MO. Villify the opponent.
That may work in how he conducted personal business to get his way.
But voters who use their brains, don't like all that cry baby whining like a 5 yr old stuff.

But the real thing that killed the R's in 2022, was the incessant lies about a stolen election.
Most of the election deniers lost in 2022. A few exception in small segment of the country.

A president, needs to be presidential. Or at least, adult like.

 

And? Republicans top priority is getting rid of Pelosi in 2022, Schumer in 2022, Biden in 2024, and so forth.

The other question you really need to ask, what happens if it is not DeSantis or Tulsi. Tulsi is not running for Presidency in 2024. She literally has no support from the GOP or independents, and definitely not the Democrats now. She has as much of a chance at winning as Vivek Ramaswarmy.

 

But you forget why most people vote for a particular candidate and the first rule in politics in the US. It is not because that candidate is the most popular, or his agenda meets your own, etc. That is the distinct minority. Republicans will vote for a ham sandwich if that ham sandwich has an R behind the name. Same with Democrats as well. But independents are the ones who make or break a candidate in winning and they usually choose "the lesser of two evils" concept.

 

That's a mistake, especially if Biden & Trump run again for President.
Biden defeated trump once and he'll do it again. The people prefer low-performer Biden over the total Idiot Trump.

Republicans must select a serious candidate (not the clown Trump) to be victorious.

 

I don't dispute that is why he was elected, I was disputing what you said about his being rejected because the elite won't accept an outsider. He's a special case who went out of his way to antagonize because he wasn't acting as a leader, he was acting a self-promoter. He WANTED to be rejected because it fed into his narrative and he did whatever he could to make sure it happened.

You get a political outsider in there who can conduct themselves like an adult and you'll get a better sense of how the "elite" will react.