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    Research has generated evidence that second-hand smoke causes the same problems as direct smoking, including lung cancer, cardiovascular disease, and lung ailments such as emphysema, bronchitis, and asthma. Specifically, meta-analyses show that lifelong non-smokers with partners who smoke in the home have a 20–30% greater risk of lung cancer than non-smokers who live with non-smokers. Non-smokers exposed to cigarette smoke in the workplace have an increased lung cancer risk of 16–19%.

    A study issued in 2002 by the International Agency for Research on Cancer of the World Health Organization concluded that non-smokers are exposed to the same carcinogens on account of tobacco smoke as active smokers.

    Sidestream smoke is smoke which goes into the air directly from a burning cigarette, cigar, or smoking pipe. Sidestream smoke is the main component (around 85%) of Second-hand smoke (SHS), also known as Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS) or passive smoking. The chemical constituents of sidestream smoke are different from those of directly inhaled ("mainstream") smoke. Sidestream smoke has been classified as a Class A carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

    One of the world's earliest smoking bans was a 1575 Roman Catholic Church regulation which forbade the use of tobacco in any church in Mexico. In 1604, King James I of England published an anti-smoking treatise, A Counterblaste to Tobacco, that had the effect of raising taxes on tobacco. The Ottoman Sultan Murad IV prohibited smoking in his empire in 1633 and had smokers executed.

    The first modern attempt at restricting smoking was imposed by the German government in every university, post office, military hospital, and Nazi Party office, under the auspices of Karl Astel's Institute for Tobacco Hazards Research, created in 1941 under orders from Adolf Hitler.

    On 12 July 1999, a Division Bench of the Kerala High Court in India banned smoking in public places by declaring "public smoking as illegal first time in the history of whole world, unconstitutional and violative of Article 21 of the Constitution." The Bench, headed by Dr. Justice K. Narayana Kurup, held that "tobacco smoking" in public places (in the form of cigarettes, cigars, beedies or otherwise) "falls within the mischief of the penal provisions relating to public nuisance as contained in the Indian Penal Code and also the definition of air pollution as contained in the statutes dealing with the protection and preservation of the environment, in particular, the Air (Prevention and Control of Pollution), Act 1981."

    In 2004, Bhutan became the first country to completely outlaw the cultivation, harvesting, production, and sale of tobacco products

    In January 2016, Turkmenistan president Gurbanguly Berdymukhammedov reportedly banned all tobacco sales in the country.

    The Pacific island of Niue hopes to become the next country to prohibit the sale of tobacco.

    A proposal in Iceland would ban tobacco sales from shops, making it prescription-only and therefore dispensable only in pharmacies on doctor's orders.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_smoking_sign
     
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    Nicotine may not be the only psychoactive component in tobacco smoke, according to a study funded in part by NIDA. Using positron emission tomography, an advanced neuroimaging technology, Dr. Joanna S. Fowler and her colleagues at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York, have produced images showing that smoking decreases the brain levels of an important enzyme that breaks down the neurotransmitter dopamine. The amount of the enzyme, called monoamine oxidase (MAO), is reduced by 30 to 40 percent in the brains of smokers, compared to nonsmokers or former smokers, the brain scans show. The reduction in brain MAO levels may result in an increase in levels of dopamine, which scientists associate with the reinforcing effects of drugs of abuse.

    Although nicotine causes increases in brain dopamine, it does not affect MAO levels, research has shown. Thus it appears that another component of tobacco smoke is inhibiting MAO. "Whatever is inhibiting MAO could be acting in concert with nicotine to enhance dopamine's activity by preventing its breakdown," says Dr. Fowler.

    https://archives.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/tobacco.html

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    It Ain’t Just For Smoking: Known But Beneficial Uses For Tobacco

    For centuries, tobacco was hailed for its myriad of uses and medical cures. However, its modern day standing leaves a lot to be desired.

    Despite this plant’s modern day reputation for causing long term ailments, tobacco leaves should be considered an ideal plant for homeopathic practices, self-reliant living as well as a great bartering item for a long term emergency.

    Consider the following beneficial uses for tobacco.

    http://readynutrition.com/resources...own-but-beneficial-uses-for-tobacco_27082010/


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    Nicotinic Receptors
    Correspondence to Palmer Taylor and Joan Heller Brown, Department of Pharmacology, 0636, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, California 92093.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK28261/




    Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors
    , or nAChRs, are receptor proteins that respond to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Nicotinic receptors also respond to drugs, including the nicotinic receptor agonist nicotine. They are found in the central and peripheral nervous system, muscle, and many other tissues of many organisms, including humans. At the neuromuscular junction they are the primary receptor in muscle for motor nerve-muscle communication that controls muscle contraction. In the peripheral nervous system: (1) they transmit outgoing signals from the presynaptic to the postsynaptic cells within the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system, and (2) they are the receptors found on skeletal muscle that receive acetylcholine released to signal for muscular contraction. In the immune system, nAChRs regulate inflammatory processes and signal through distinct intracellular pathways.[1] In insects, the cholinergic system is limited to the central nervous system.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor

     
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    Ye cigs are bad I know I've smoked for over 50 years. But obesity kills more people in this nation than anything else. And most of us are obese. Diet and work contributes too.
     
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    These are Cabbage plants.


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    We get to 'wash' the cabbage before we consume them.. We don't get to wash the tobacco before we consume them, though.


    And since both are green leafed plants, they can 'rot'. However, the tobacco (cigarettes) can be preserved for months on end without any 'rotting'.

    In my estimation, cigarettes are 'preserved' leaf bits the same as any other organic life can be preserved without going through complete decomposing.
     
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    These are going through 'natural' decomposition.
     
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    What Is Composting?
    http://www.directenergy.com/blog/what-is-composting/

    To understand composting, one must first understand what compost is. Compost itself is simply decomposed organic matter. It can often be confused with fertilizer, but there is an important distinction between the two. Fertilizer, while it goes into the soil, is intended to specifically feed plants. Compost, meanwhile, is intended to enrich the soil itself — maintaining moisture more effectively and giving plants a better environment in which to grow and thrive.


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    Tobacco may be nothing more than tobacco compost with additional compost ingredients.

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    Could your compost kill you? Bacteria that can cause disease in humans - and even death - is present in bags of organic material
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2440183/Dangerous-bacteria-present-compost.html

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    ‘Disease causing micro-organisms are widespread in the environment, and therefore it is not too surprising that species of Legionella that can cause human disease are present in compost,’ she said.

    ‘Any environment where you have pathogenic bacteria could be a source of infection, and we already know that compost has been linked to human Legionella infection in Australia and New Zealand.

    'Within the UK and across Europe, composts have traditionally been composed of peat, whereas sawdust and bark are more often used to produce compost in Australia and New Zealand where Legionellosis associated with compost is more common.



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    At the simplest level, the process of composting requires making a heap of wet organic matter known as green waste << :link: (leaves, food waste) and waiting for the materials to break down into humus << :link: after a period of weeks or months. Modern, methodical composting is a multi-step, closely monitored process with measured inputs of water, air, and carbon- and nitrogen-rich materials. The decomposition process is aided by shredding the plant matter, adding water and ensuring proper aeration by regularly turning the mixture. Worms and fungi further break up the material. Bacteria requiring oxygen to function (aerobic bacteria) and fungi manage the chemical process by converting the inputs into heat, carbon dioxide and ammonium. The ammonium (NH+
    4) is the form of nitrogen used by plants. When available ammonium is not used by plants it is further converted by bacteria into nitrates <<:link: (NO−
    3) through the process of nitrification : << link:.

    Compost is rich in nutrients. It is used in gardens << :link:, landscaping<< :link:, horticulture << :link:, and agriculture << :link:. The compost itself is beneficial for the land in many ways, including as a soil conditioner << :link:, a fertilizer, addition of vital humus << :link: or humic acids << : link:, and as a natural pesticide << : link: for soil. In ecosystems, compost is useful for erosion control, land and stream reclamation, wetland construction, and as landfill cover (see compost uses) << :link:. Organic ingredients intended for composting can alternatively be used to generate biogas << :link: through anaerobic digestion << :link:.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compost
     
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    second hand smoke in an enclosed space is bad for those in said closed space, not outside

    that said, if you choose to go to a bar that is smoke filled, you make that choice, if you do not want to go... don't go

    that said, it's ironic that non-smokers do not hold the title of the longest living human, smokers still hold that title, probably because smoking reduces stress and stress kills
     
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    processed meats is a "Group 1" carcinogen right up there with cigarettes and asbestos, yet parents can feed it to their children

    "Processed meats rank alongside smoking as cancer causes"

    https://www.theguardian.com/society...-processed-meats-cancer-risk-smoking-says-who

    "Bacon, ham and sausages rank alongside cigarettes as a major cause of cancer, the World Health Organisation has said, placing cured and processed meats in the same category as asbestos, alcohol, arsenic and tobacco."

    football causes brain damage, yet parents let their children play

    do we want the government to decide these things for us, or do we want to live in a free society where we can decide for ourselves
     
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    Homeopathy is total crackpottery. Check and you will find it listed as a pseudoscience.

    In fact, some dilutions are so extreme that once molecules were discovered, it was realized that some doses do not contain any of the magic cure. It is pure nonsense.
     
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    Can't decide anything, without accurate information though.
     
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    agree, which is why figuring out why the oldest people to have lived were smokers is important, why have not non-smokers taken that title, is it because of the stress reduction?

    personally I think moderation is key in most things
     
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    not only that but most smokers tend to live in areas where the stress levels are greater than the average level of stress. And have you taken into consideration all the carbon monoxide which engine vehicles put out??
     
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    Research has generated evidence that second-hand smoke causes the same problems as direct smoking, including lung cancer,


    I stopped reading after that, 2nd hand smoking was a huge hoax...and proven to be one, it was all about smoking is stinky and the ends justify the means by the critics
     
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    E-cigs, which many turn to when trying to quit tobacco use, has proven not only to cause lung cancer but other cancers as well

    https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessa...d-chemical-in-e-cigarette-vapor-study-finds#1
     
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    http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...ondhand_smoke_isn_t_as_bad_as_we_thought.html






    decade later, comprehensive smoking bans have proliferated globally. And now that the evidence has had time to accumulate, it’s also become clear that the extravagant promises made by anti-smoking groups—that implementing bans would bring about extraordinary improvements in cardiac health—never materialized. Newer, better studies with much larger sample sizes have found little to no correlation between smoking bans and short-term incidence of heart attacks, and certainly nothing remotely close to the 60 percent reduction that was claimed in Helena. The updated science debunks the alarmist fantasies that were used to sell smoking bans to the public, allowing for a more sober analysis suggesting that current restrictions on smoking are extreme from a risk-reduction standpoint.
     
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    http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/


    At the behest of Congressman Henry Waxman (D-Ca), the Congressional Research Service (CRS) spent two years examining reports and came up with the following conclusions regarding second hand smoke and lung cancer (Redhead and Rowberg, 1995): (a) The statistical evidence does not appear to support a conclusion that there are substantial health effects of passive smoking. (b) It is possible that very few or even no deaths can be attributed to second hand smoke. (c) If there are any lung cancer deaths from second hand smoke, they are likely to be concentrated among those subjected to the highest exposure levels (e.g., spouses). (d) The absolute risk, even to those with the greatest exposure levels, is uncertain. The CRS found that, what was considered an “obvious” conclusion by the EPA was, in fact, flawed. The EPA reasoned that if the smoke inhaled by a smoker was close enough in composition to that which is exhaled, then if one was carcinogenic the other must also be carcinogenic. This assumption is chemically incorrect and was rejected.
     
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    I don't smoke (now) but would oppose any ban on tobacco simply because I believe that what a person does is no business of our ever intrusive government.
     
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    Wow, you just make up your own little world as you go, don't you.

    Just because your body makes something doesn't mean it can't be toxic. The body produces hydrochloric acid as well. Why don't you try drinking some.

    Or have a nice tall glass of formaldehyde. Mmmmmm.
     
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    Make it up? That's how much formaldehyde is in the e cigs it comes from the thermoplastic..go suck on a hollow pen (with the ink removed ( t's the same thing )
     
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    It's almost as if the dosage actually matters... hmmm
     

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