No, the State Government or other actors cannot activate the 14th Nilly Willy

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    The novel legal theory employed against Donald Trump to remove him from the ballot is even more insane than the novel theory of the Green Bay plan. At least that plan was a misreading of the rights of the legislature. This is an outright usurpation of power of the government.

    The main gist of this novel legal theory is that the 14th supposedly is not 'criminal'(though it has a criminal stature, funny that) but 'administrative'. Therefore, there need not be due process for candidate and former POTUS Donald Trump. There's so many problems with this, but the largest one being that that's not how we recognize Constitutional Law in the United States.

    Just as the Federal Government respects State Laws(as long as they don't intrude upon the Constitution and Federal Law), the same is true vice versa: The States BY LAW must respect the authority of the Federal Government. By attempting to enact Constitutional(Federal) law without the proper authority, the States are grossly stepping out of bounds.

    Some have argued the 6th Amendment(the Supremacy clause), but that only reinforces this point. Jurisdiction lies solely and ONLY with the Federal Government. It doesn't lie with that hack of Secretary of State(Maine)

    It doesn't lie with the State Supreme Court of Colorado. It doesn't lie with the litigants, who should have been rejected without prejudice. It lies with the Federal Government.

    This government, which created the DOJ as its representative agent in litigation. Only the DOJ can charge a person with a crime.(Just as law enforcement is tasked with carrying out the force of law.)

    So even if ergo, administrative(which it's not), the administration must be the one to carry out this function.

    But it is criminal, they made a code for it. If that's not criminal, what is? The argument over 'administrative' or criminal is so laughably absurd that on its face, it will be rejected completely.

    In conclusion, this novel legal theory is even quackier than the Navarro plan and has about the same chance of success: None.
     
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    Oh but according to these people its "Constitutional" and if/when it gets to SCOTUS then they are going to rule it as such...and if they don't its only because the conservative majority court is protecting Trump and is another reason to pack expand the amount of Justices on the SCOTUS bench to make it "more fair".
     
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    So now a single secretary of state can determine the outcome of a federal election and tell the people who the can and can not vote for?...


    Fourteenth Amendment

    Section 5
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
     
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    Not legally anyway, as your section shows. And if I'm not mistaken, I believe Congress wrote an amendment that spelled out even more clearly that Section 3 could only be enforced via proper prosecution. Not whatever this stupid attempt to revive the continential dollar crisis is.

    (In the continential dollar crisis, States printed their own, differing currencies which damaged the US economy. We're at that juncture now where left states will leave Trump off the ballot, but red states will keep him on)
     
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    But who’s responsible for interpreting the Constitution?
     
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    All of us. This isn't difficult to interpret: 'The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.'

    The folks pretending that reading the Constitution is like consulting the Oracle at Delphi simply don't like what the Constitution obviously says.

    NOW INCLUDING MAINE: Colorado Bans Trump From Running Over Concerns Usual Election Rigging System Could Fail.

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    "I know we have all the normal rigging techniques available to us, but we're worried that Trump's lead could grow so much that those efforts will fail to protect our democracy as they did in 2020," said Justice Richard Gabriel. "Rest assured, we will not rest until we save democracy by making it completely illegal to vote for Trump. You're welcome, America!"

    'Pollsters confirmed that even with classic rigging measures like hackable voting machines, unmonitored drop-boxes, illegal immigrants, ballot harvesting, and universal mail-in voting, it may still not be enough to stop Trump from being reelected. Experts are urging unelected Judges to put additional measures in place.'
     
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    The way to solve this is to start and finish Trump’s DC trial . If acquitted , he can be a candidate. Unless, of course, he gets convicted of something else.
     
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    OUCH! Legal Analyst Takes Apart Maine SecState's Trump Ruling ('When You've Lost CNN...')

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    'CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig in Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows removing Trump from the ballot: “She based her ruling on a lot of documents, but also YouTube clips, news reports, things that would never pass the bar in normal court. She’s not a lawyer, by the way”'

    Ooof!

    'That pretty much sums up the kangaroo court-style methods the Left has been going about "getting" Trump, all while ironically claiming it's about "saving democracy" and the rule of law.'
     
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    Voters
     
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    Maine, Colorado, and the Democrats May Have Just Handed Trump 2024

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    Trump is how you tell lying slandering tax dodging Bribed Joe to go to hell.

    'a good deal of former President Donald Trump's popularity is fueled by pure spite by the people whose lives have been damaged or made harder by the Biden administration's destructive policies.'

    Trump's Popularity in the Polls Might Not Be About His Popularity

    'His popularity has risen in part because the Democrats have made it very clear to the American people that they fear Trump, and if the people who've made your life miserable are telling you that they're afraid of someone, you're probably going to gravitate toward that figure and attempt to put him between yourself and them'

    'as Biden and the Democrats cause more suffering, they create a byproduct of spite which people will then use to select which opponent of the administration they'll end up voting for. Combined with the fact that the entirety of the Democrat Party attack machine has been aimed at Trump, including endless media reports, a weaponized justice system, and a mugshot that gave Trump "outlaw" status, you can bet that the Democrats have effectively told people who the party is afraid of.'

    'This has caused the people to infuse Trump with even more support, causing him to only grow in influence despite never having appeared on a debate stage. In fact, I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people now supporting Trump haven't actually seen anything he's had to say over the past few years with the exception of random clips they accidentally came across. I think many people just remember that things were much better under him and got much worse when he was gone.'

    The more they hate him, the more powerful he becomes.
     
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    DEMOCRATS DISPROVE CLAIMS THEY WILL COVERTLY RIG ELECTION BY RIGGING IT IN PLAIN SIGHT: Federal Government Operatives And Soros Money Behind Plot To Keep Trump Off Ballot.

    'the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the storming of the Capitol was a security failure, not a coup attempt, and that undercover law enforcement informants or officers may have allowed, or even encouraged, it to happen. January 6 prosecutors have failed to prove a clear link between the rioters and Trump or his associates. And the fact that the Department of Justice declined to indict Trump for inciting an insurrection is a tacit recognition that Trump’s words leading up to the riot were legal speech.'

    'Even some Democrats and mainstream news commentators agree the Maine decision has no merit. Said CNN’s senior legal analyst yesterday, about Bellows’ removal of Trump from the ballot, “She based her ruling on a lot of documents, but also YouTube clips, news reports, things that would never pass the bar in normal court. She’s not a lawyer, by the way.”'

    'The real threat to democracy today comes from those trying to deny the American people their right to vote for the candidate of their choosing.'

    Democrats might not enjoy living under the new rules they’ve created: The New Rules Dictate That Biden Be Struck From the Ballot With the 25th Amendment.

    'if this new rule is allowed to stand, every single state that has even a single conservative official with any say in the matter must declare Biden unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office and strike his name from the ballot.'
     

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