not including clergy/first responders is just dumb

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  1. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    I am sick and tired of all this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) with not allowing clergy of any faith have any part in the 9/11 ground zero services.

    The seculars in this country have gotten there way and its exactly what the terrorists who attacked us wanted.

    Also, not having the first responders included in the ceremony is just plain sick.

    The liberal left, Bloomberg and the like can just go (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think not allowing anyone to take part is counter productive to the point of America, and restricting anyone from speaking promotes the terrorists goals.

    Yes that means muslim voices too. If their speech is out of line... the crowd will simply tear them apart... no matter who they are. I am all for free speech, and benediction from any who bring rebuke of the attack, and solace to the country.

    I am an agnostic... and I am almost convinced that followers of Abrahamic religions suffer from a mental illness. This does not make me many friends on the right.

    What makes me not an enemy is that as sadistic as I find the God of Abraham, the idea that Christians cannot speak at a ceremony commemorating the dead makes me want to puke. It makes me angry. Probably more angry than Christians. When you get me fighting for faith, you have totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.

    First responders... don't even get me started.
     
  3. Colonel K

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    It seems the clergy haven't been for the last nine years. Why is it suddenly a necessity that they be there now? Maybe the "seculars" need to remind the whining Abrahamics that they and their family differences are the reason everyone is there.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not to mention about 3000 funerals.

    Go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself.

    With all due respect.
     
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    Wait, the terrorists want us to be secular? Somehow I doubt that. While we're talking about not letting the terrorists win how about you show your support in ending the PATRIOT act, invasive TSA searches, and the other unconstitutional goodies this war brought with it. While you're out showing how bad censorship is make sure you mention that the FCC should not be censoring our airwaves. While you're talking about freedom of religion make sure you mention that it should be up to the churches, not the state, to allow or ban gay marriage.

    While I agree that the religious windbags should be able to go up and bore everyone to tears, I'm also sick of people getting bent out of shape when their rights or their groups rights are being trounced on but then not caring or full on supporting the trouncing of others rights.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I want to, and typically do, argue with you. I don't mind the patriot act, but that is a long drawn out discussion nobody wants to have, and we will not likely come to terms at the end of, though I will "win" point wise.

    Outside of that, I agree with you. There is an uncomfortable and mostly unspoken grind between pronouncing the jealousy of our "freedom" as the root cause, and our response being to restrict it.

    The world is a complicated place.
     
  7. Montoya

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    Whats wrong with being secular? Our government is not allowed to sponsor any relgion, not ever. We don't need christian extremists stirring up even more hate.
     
  8. NetworkCitizen

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    Many first responders are still angry and have a lot of unanswered questions. They are not happy about how they were treated afterwards, being that many of them have serious health issues due to their heroics. They were also the eye witnesses who experienced the explosions and know that office fires did not bring down WTC 7.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "They" do not hold the position you do. One does.

    Please do not turn every single 9/11 thread into conspiracy thread. There is a whole section for that.
     
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    I'm looking for the reasons why they would be barred from the event. There are way more than 1 firemen and policemen who talked about explosions.

    What is there to do other than theorize when Lee Hamilton says that his own commission report "was not a final report" just a few weeks ago? When NIST says they didn't even test for explosives because they couldn't be bothered to do so? When there are more than 1,500 architects and engineers who signed their name and reputation to say that there is no way office fires demolished WTC 7?

    Everyone just continues on as if they know the complete story when not even the official investigators agree with them. I prefer to hear the truth.
     
  11. submarinepainter

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    Allowing religious clergy to speak is not sponsoring a religion, there are extremist in all walks of life , who decides what Christan's are and are not?
     
  12. Montoya

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    If you invite christian priests then you must invite clergy from every religion to speak. Not everyone wants to hear some priest rattle on about god while remembering a tragedy.
     
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    sure invite them all
     
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    Including muslims...I doubt the tea ***** will like that. But fair is fair.
     
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    Thank the *********s for that. These responders should be getting free healthcare. But instead the *********s think they should have to pay for it themselves so the insurance company can make an "honest profit".
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    correct but Teatard sounds so sophomorish, we all should debate in a more civil manner
     
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    And Obama wants the government to force everyone to pay private insurance companies. That sounds...more expensive and fascist.
     
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    I agree...that being forced to pay a private company anything is a bad idea. That is why they should have stuck with the public option. Or just take over the health insurance industry altogether taking profits out of the equation.
     
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    I actually like the idea of state-run healthcare a bit better than universal healthcare on a national scale. America is a very large country. You see, many of the people you like to insult as *********s believe that they will have a truer representative democracy when the power is closer within their reach instead of all of it being concentrated in that current cluster (*)(*)(*)(*) we have in DC.
     
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    There will be people that are going sing "Amazing Grace" flash mob style during Bloombergs speech.
     
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    Good for them.
     
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    Invite them. I am not so insecure that I can't tolerate the religious views of others. Too bad everyone can't say the same.
     
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    I don't see a problem with having prayers. If people want to pray, that is up to them. But since Muslims also died that day, isn't it only fair that they are allowed to pray, too?
     
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    My friend, who is a Muslim had his father die in the attack. Would you be fine with him going and praying at the ceremony?
     

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