Now here is a president who can get things done!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by James Cessna, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. NetworkCitizen

    NetworkCitizen New Member

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    I just don't know what I will do when Rick Perry takes office and continues down this same path of power grabs by the feds and their cronies. All of the conservatives will immediately drop their current complaints because their guy beat the democrats' guy.

    And so the carousel continues. Rick Perry is a snake oil salesman. Plenty of us will be around to say "I told you so." You're telling me that republicans cannot find someone without all of his baggage? You're telling me that we need a guy who did horrible in college, increased the size of the government and taxes in Texas, supported AL STINKIN GORE, gave speeches about bi-national healthcare and open borders?

    You're falling for rhetoric. Do you see other conservatives attacking any other candidates as much as they attack Perry? It's because he's a fraud! Give me Old Gold Ron, Herman Cain, even Bachmann or Romney over Perry.
     
  2. Dan40

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    Like all liberals, you have just shown that you know diddly squat about the tea party. And again like all liberals you cannot keep yourself from throwing in the RACIST claim is spite of the fact that all races are represented in various tea party groups. You have shown a lack of knowledge and fear. The first is laughable and expected, the latter is real for all the wrong reasons.
     
  3. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Ron Paul is the intellectual grandfather of the tea party movement.

    And Ron Paul's use of earmarks is perfectly consistent with his ideology. Earmarks are just a way for representatives to appropriate money that has already been spent. If Ron Paul's district has to pay for a bill, then they're entitled to benefit from it.
     
  4. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, is he? I thought he was a libertarian that runs as a Republican to get elected.

    See, this is where your argument falls into tattered shards. He rails against pork, then sets up his district with pork. that is called a raging (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hypocrisy where I come from.
     
  5. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    No, you just have no idea how the process works.

    An earmark is an appropriation of funds that have already been spent. If Ron Paul's district HAS to pay for a bill, then they are entitled to benefit from it.
     
  6. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. Utterly wrong. Wrong as wrong can be. Ron Paul rails against pork. Ron Paul gets pork for his district. That is a hypocrisy. Defend that all you want, but never say I do not know how something works in order to support your utterly failed argument.
     
  7. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the incipient tea party movement was a contingent of Ron Paul supporters that was eventually co-opted and watered down by the Republican party.

    Ron Paul rails against unconstitutional government spending that his district is FORCED to pay for, which is why he votes against the bills. However, if the bill manages to pass, that means his district, who are tax PAYERS, must help finance a bill they never wanted to pass in the first place. As their representative, he has a fiduciary duty to appropriate a portion of those funds for his district, unless, of course, you think they should be forced to pay for bills they don't want and from which they will receive absolutely no benefits.
     
  8. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, he voted against the same bills that he inserts pork into, yet another example of the raging hypocrisy of Ron Paul.
     
  9. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    When has Ron Paul ever railed against earmarks or "pork", as you put it?
     
  10. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    You keep avoiding the fact that his district is being forced to finance these bills with their tax dollars. What in the world makes you think they should pay for something yet receive none of the benefit?
     
  11. James Cessna

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    You are very correct, Dan40.

    It is surprising how many political commentators on radio and TV, in newspapers and magazines, talk show hosts and members of both major political parties have a very significant misunderstanding of what the Tea Party Movement actually represents. On their own, they make accusations and invalid assumptions, and then rant and rave to everyone believing, incorrectly, that their assumptions are, in fact, actual and correct.

    Allow me to clarify what the Tea Party Movement is really all about.

    WHAT THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IS NOT

    * It is not an attack on Barack Obama, his religion or his early childhood. He just happened to be the President in power when the dam burst and our national economy tanked.

    * It is not an attack against the Democratic Party.

    * It is not a movement in support of the Republican Party.

    WHAT IS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT?

    * It is a protest against the way government is run; whether the Republicans are in power, or the Democrats are in power. It is a protest against government being run by either the extreme right or the extreme left members of the political spectrum.

    * The members of the Tea Party Movement did not all come from one political party. The members are made up,ideally in equal parts, of Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Moderates and Independents.


    WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT ARE OPPOSED TO

    * Against politicians whose main role in life is getting elected and forever re-elected.

    * Against politicians ignoring the wishes of their constituents and voting instead per the instructions of their party leaders.

    * Against politicians who vote for bills, without reading or understanding them.

    * Against SWEETHEART deals with lobbyists, unions, big corporations, and major contributors.

    * Against politicians who accept “favors”; meals, event tickets, travel, lodging, vacations, etc. from registered lobbyists.

    * Against politicians who feel that it is beneath them to respond to their constituent’s requests, meetings, telephone calls, etc.

    * Against mortgaging the financial future of our children, our grandchildren, and their children.

    * Against closed door deals by the political power brokers.

    * Against earmarks (congressional pork).

    * Against the lack of transparency and clarity of proposed legislation.

    * Against politicians who take expensive junkets, at taxpayer expense, for no apparent or justifiable reason.

    * Against politicians who are paid $ 175,000 per year, plus an un taxable $93,000 petty cash fund, to only work 3 days a week when Congress is in session, but who seldom bother to make an appearance during any of these three days.

    * Against political payoffs to politicians in order to “buy their vote".

    * Against politicians who make speeches running down and apologizing for our country and our country's legal and congressionally-sanctioned foreign policies.

    * Against politicians who have a large staff, paid for by tax payer funds, whose jobs are totally dependent upon satisfying the desires of the elected officials they work for, rather than their constituents.

    * Against politicians who believe they know better than we do with regard to how we rear our children and manage our lives.

    * Other important and similarly salient features.

    WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT ARE FOR

    * Politicians who believe that our government should be a government "of the people, by the people and for the people".

    * Politicians who are concerned with policies and laws that are best for our country, rather than what’s best for their political future.

    * Politicians who believe and follow the principles laid down by The
    Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

    * Fiscal responsibility – Spending only the money that is available to Congress (PAYGO) and not constantly and forever borrowing against the future.

    * Eliminating high cost “perks” that are only available to elected officials and their staffs.

    * Establishing a special fund for FICA contributions and not transferring Social Security receipts into the General Fund, which Congress immediately spends.

    * Elimination of earmarks – congressional pork.

    * Transparency of all proposed legislation – require that the complete text of all proposed legislation be posted on the Internet for constituents to see and read for a minimum of 72 hours prior to allowing that legislation to be voted upon.

    * Other important and similarly salient features; but you get the general idea!
     
  12. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really?

    http://ronpaulquotes.com/chapters/2006-43.html
    When this bill was first before the House, I offered an amendment to redirect to Texas for Hurricane Rita recovery some $546 million from such non-emergency “emergency” items funded in this bill as the State Department “Democracy Fund,” aid to foreign military forces, international broadcasting funds, and others. This spending was not in any way a response to legitimate emergencies and therefore I believed it would be better spent helping the Texas victims of Hurricane Rita. I also redirected some of this nonemergency spending to go toward our crippling deficit. Unfortunately this amendment was not allowed. Thus, recovery from true emergencies that have caused terrible destruction to the lives and property of American citizens is woefully underfunded while pork-barrel projects and wasteful foreign aid are funded most generously.
     
  13. Daggdag

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    To republicans anyone who doesn't agree with right wing propaganda is a kook....

    I would dare say that Ron Paul is the only republican who actually knows what he's talking about....

    Now if only he could be made to see that the public sector needs just as much regulation as the private sector....then he would be the perfect leader...
     
  14. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    So, what should he do? Just let the Federal government treat his district like a piggy bank? Is that how he avoids the label of "hypocrite"?
     
  15. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is funny. Really, you are not the first person to fail in defending Paul's porkification of his district.

    I just find it so odd his fans turn a blind eye to his hypocrisy.
     
  16. Ethereal

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    Oh, what a surprise. TFM dodges another question.

    What do you expect him to do? Just let the Federal government treat his district like a piggy bank? Should they just pay for things they don't want and receive none of the benefit?
     
  17. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I expect him to practice what he preaches if you are going to hold him in such high regard.
     
  18. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Practice what he preaches? Would that include letting the Federal government spend his district's tax dollars without giving them anything in return? Is that what you mean? Why can't you just man up and answer the question?
     
  19. Think for myself

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    Ah, the straw man argument. Well done. Questioning my masculinity is a bonus I suppose.

    Ron Paul says one thing and does another. I find it so odd that so many overlook that.
     
  20. Ethereal

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    Ah, refusing to answer a simple question because you know it will lead to the eventual deconstruction of your intellectually dishonest smear tactics.

    Ron Paul earmarks funds because his district's tax dollars are being spent. That doesn't make him a hypocrite, it makes him a good representative.
     
  21. Think for myself

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    It does when he claims to be against pork.
     
  22. Ethereal

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    It's not "pork" if you're being forced to spend the money against your will.
     
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    Every word I wrote was accurate!! I didn't claim racism(I think xenophobia is a more accurate term anyways), you did. But just like all people/movements on the right that espouse racist/xenophobic views, they pretend as if the racism/xenophobia they openly promote doesn't exist when liberals call them on it, and then pretend that the things right in front of everyone's face are really just in the head of some loony liberals!!


    A quick question(you will deny the second part, but the reasoning is solid). The tea party espouses limited government, and free markets am I correct? Do you understand that a program stopping mexicans from coming here to work, works in opposition to free markets, and that a program meant to keep Mexicans out increases the size of government? And yet one of the tea party's major issues is immigration reform(on which they hold the position of increased government and less free markets). What explains this clear disconnect in the minds of tea party people? People who claim to want smaller government and freer markets, have as one of their foundational platforms a policy which impinges on the free market and increases the size of government. The explanation is simple, they are a right wing populist movement that uses fear of the other as a major element of their movement!! Which means that is far more important to them than any ideal about free markets and the size of government. The tea party is a right wing populist movement that appeals to the fear of others, Mexicans in this example(though a large military and Muslims works just as well to prove my point). You can deny this point, but the evidence is quite clear.
     
  24. Dan40

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    Once again you display your prejudice and lack of knowledge. There is no tea party agenda to keep Mexicans out of the USA. Any Mexican, or any other national, that applies for entrance to the USA and is admitted by our immigration laws is welcome. Wanting to close our borders to illegal immigrants is a matter of national security and good sense. It is not an anti-anyone idea. No other nation on the planet has an 'open border' policy. That we have such a defacto policy is grossly stupid and dangerous.
    I might remind you that the 9/11 terrorists had over stayed their legal time in the USA and should have been sent home, and they were not Hispanic.
    You are completely lost in your liberal brainwashing to the point that you are unable to think rationally since you are inferring that our borders should simply be open and unguarded to be Politically Correct and not possibly offend anyone. Do you leave your home open to anyone that wishes to walk in and take whatever pleases them?
     
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    I have one quote of this sissy perry and one pic. the quote from perry is the line he stole and adjusted from Ron Paul, Rick perrys version is this: "Fed is ALMOST treasonous" lmao.... what a piece of crap, leaving himself wiggle room like previous presidents to do nothing about it, but trying to score points. A filthy scumbag is the only way I can describe this fraud. America does not need another Obachma!

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