Here pick a source you trust and read for yourself. Elected officials are openly using the term gun confiscation. It's no secret where this is going, unless you are deaf, blind, dumb, and/or stupid. http://www.search.ask.com/web?l=dis...t confiscation of guns from American citizens.
Um, yep. Fienstien, Biden, Cuomo, Bloomberg, Hickenlooper. Read thier speeches and interviews on the subject. These are elected officials. People that are calling the shots. And you think no one is looking to take guns. Blind? Dumb? Disconnected? Which are you, because every news outlet no matter what leanings have had those idiots preaching confiscation if needed. Just those words coming out of thier mouths should have this nation up in arms and ready to storm the halls of congress.
What about the actual bill that's being proposed having nothing about gun confiscation in it? Seems unlikely that they could accomplish gun confiscation without even proposing it in a bill. Not that facts matter.
Again, there is an actual bill being proposed right now. I don't care that certain politicians think it's a good idea. Michelle Bachmann thinks eliminating minimum wage is a good idea. It's not going to happen though. - - - Updated - - - I believe the President has to enact executive orders. Obama has made it pretty clear he doesn't support gun confiscation.
when they went after the ex-felons they shrugged when they went after the depressed they shrugged then wondered why no one cared when they came after their guns you know the saying, if you do not protect the constitutional rights of the least among you.. you have no one to blame but yourselves when they come after you everyone should have the right to protect their homes and family.. everyone - it's a constitutional right not a privilege that can be revoked at will it's either a 'constitutional right' or it's a 'Privilege' like driving a car, it can't be both .
How exactly are my constitutional rights being violated by having to undergo a background check to buy a firearm?
I never said it was in any bill, I said they are 'attempting' to set the course. They are working on public opinion, and trying to find support for confiscation, then a bill will be proposed. It probably won't even say there will be confiscations but in a round about way the authority will be given, if it is allowed to go through with enough support. People said the health care bill would never pass either, and even if it did it would be struck down by the USSC. How did that work out again?
Bachmann is a no body. What office does she hold? She is not a shot caller. Obama uses his boys to do his dirty work, we saw that with Holder and Clinton. You dont think his gun control hasnt "evolved" since 2008? Dont be blind. - - - Updated - - - Well read the 2nd Amendment and you tell me. You dont seem to understand what they want in the new "univeral background check". Its not the same as the instant check you go through when you buy a gun at a FFL.
So Obama wants to confiscate guns, but says otherwise publicly and makes no attempt to actually do it? You know, now would be a pretty good time to try to do the things he wants to do, him being the freakin President and all.
Do you require a background check to express your freedom of speech? Do you also need one want to be able to be granted to a fair jury trail or to confront your accuser in a trial? How about excessive search and seizure -- do you need a "permit" so you wouldn't be subject to one? To some people, the constitution still means something... To others, its just a piece of historical document worth as much as toilet paper in an old outhouse.
Well lets see, right after Sandy Hook he appoints his puppet Shotgun Joe Biden as "gun control czar" and starts out all warm and fuzzy talking about mental health issues, violent movies and games, and some "sensable" gun measures. All of which falls apart within a week and focuses straight on renewing the assualt weapons ban of 1994. Mag capacity, registrations, with even conficsations coming out of thier mouths. Sure, Obama was able to keep quiet. He had his mouth pieces working for him. So while you say he has made "no attempt" he is sure pressing hard. Allowing the parents of the Sandy Hook kids to roam the halls of congress, taking them in AF1 to speeches in the last couple days, pandering to the left leaning gun control politicians that got him elected. But oh no, he hasnt done anything. Learn to watch the left and while the right hand is working. You will be better informed for it.
Sorry joe because i did misunderstand your post. But you made up for it by all the personal insults toward me so I guess we are even. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
None of that changes the "fact" that I'm discussing the "facts" while those accusing Obama of wanting to confiscate weapons are proposing a "theory" with little to no evidence to seriously suggest it's truthfulness to anyone who's considering it without an agenda.
The president CANNOT confiscate ANYTHING through executive order, and the ACA was not "Shoved Down Our Throats by executive order. You are making very little sense.
what possible reason could you have for not being allowed to have a constitutional right to protect your home and family? where does the data from this "background check" come from? would you be ok with being required to have a background check to qualify for the right of freedom of speech, or freedom of religion or any rights we are guaranteed ether we make it a privilege like driving a car or we leave it a right we all have, it can not be both .
NRA To Score Gun Deal By Michael McAuliff | HuffPost | 04/10/2013 10:29 pm EDT Excerpts: WASHINGTON Momentum grew for Senate passage of gun legislation when a bipartisan group of senators on Wednesday announced agreement on deals to expand background checks and tighten laws against gun trafficking. The first breakthrough came in a deal on background checks announced by Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who agreed on an amendment that would exempt all "personal" transfers of weapons between individuals, but would close the infamous gun show loophole and also require background checks on Internet sales. "All personal transfers are not touched whatsoever," said Manchin. "We've done these two [gun shows and Internet sales], and we've done them and done them right." Toomey, who is well-regarded by the National Rifle Association, said he was not worried that backing a new gun law would risk his strong rating from the group. "What matters to me is doing the right thing, and I think this is the right thing," said Toomey, who still declined to predict whether he would back the full gun control bill. He did suggest that the background check amendment would receive support in the House; such support would mark a major shift in the prospects for passing gun legislation. The measure would also make it easier for people with concealed-carry permits in one state to transport their weapons through another state where they would otherwise be breaking the law, such as New York. Toomey and Manchin said it was a step toward full concealed-carry reciprocity across the country, which they agreed to drop for now. "I hope we get there," said Toomey. The NRA was lukewarm on the measure, releasing a statement that did not oppose it and called it better than the universal background check system that President Barack Obama and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg have been seeking. A Senate aide said that Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), an original backer of gun control legislation, called Vice President Joe Biden, Bloomberg and Mark Kelly, the husband of former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.), early Wednesday morning to inform them of the watered-down bill, which Schumer backs. The other step forward came from Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), who said they had come to an agreement with the NRA to beef up restrictions on gun trafficking. The proposed Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act includes the first federal measures that would specifically prohibit the trafficking and straw purchase of weapons. Currently, the only federal law on straw purchases concerns filling out the paperwork to buy the weapon. The measure would make it a crime to buy guns on behalf of individuals legally barred from possessing guns and would make it explicitly illegal to traffic two or more guns if a person had "reasonable cause" to believe a crime would be committed with any of those firearms. Violations would be punishable by fines, property forfeiture and prison sentences of up to 25 years. "We worked with the NRA and with several other senators to ensure that nothing in our bill infringes on the Second Amendment rights of lawful gun owners and purchasers, while still providing a strong new set of tools for law enforcement officials," Leahy said in a statement. 'We are pleased that the NRA agrees with us that this legislation is a focused approach to combat the destructive practices of straw purchasing and firearms trafficking while protecting the Second Amendment rights of Americans.'" read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/gun-control-background-checks_n_3052871.html ....... IMO: If this is the deal to save lives and put stricter gun laws into effect to save the lives of many thousands of defenceless Americans yearly, then this deal made with the NRA is laughable in its watered-down nonsolution to our gun problem in this country. What does the NRA have to do with law making in Congress anyway? It appears that they own Congress if this is all our elected legislators can do for the citizens of America. What is the NRA doing to inject itself into the legislative process of our federal goverment in the first place? This is an outrage and there should be an immediate up and down vote so we can see for ourselves who the legislators are that are so unwilling to save American lives...that we are so insignificant that they are not to be bothered by the inconvenience of actually drafting strict laws so that citizens lives will be safer. Legislators fear being in the open about their voting for the NRA protection, so that they can still collect bribes and donation funds to be re-elected. We should get the names of every legislator that votes against strengthening laws and get them out of office. America wants to see them stand up and vote against a law that would save American lives, and watch them being hounded out of office by patriotic Americans. This has been a demonstration of what our legislators presume is the value of life we put forth to our countrymen and the world.
Your life, my life any ones life is not worth more than the constitution of this country. Sorry if that sounds cold, but its true. We went to war to create that document and many people died in the process. We go to war now to defend the constitution, I suggest you read the military oath. Defending the constitution is something that every president has pledged to do. By any means possible or nessesary. Defending the constitution is something that any and all Americans should be willig to do. Oh, and Shotgun Joe Biden said that nothing in the bill would have prevented Sandy Hook or Aurora. So cry me a river about saving lives.
Yelling at someone will not kill them. Praying to god will not kill someone. Having a right does not mean getting to bypass other rights. You have the right to pursue happiness....but, if molesting children makes someone happy this right is invalidated. You have the right to free speech...unless you yell fire in a theater. You have the right to bare arms....unless you use them to take away someones right to life. A background check does not remove this right, unless it shows you will use that gun to do things we do not accept as a society. Think of it like a federal search warrant.....if there is nothing there to hide, why worry about it.
When I first got my CCL in Texas I could buy a pistol just by showing my license. The last time I bought a shot gun I had to fill out an AFT form on a computer. The 'SOCALLED' gun show loop hole is when an individual sells a gun at a gun show. Any time a person buys a gun at a gun show from a licensed gun dealer they have to go through a background check. To plug this loophole at gun shows we will have to ban individuals from selling to other individuals without a BG check. I don't see how the law can make some individuals do a BG check and others not. What evidence do have for that statement?? What has Remington said that makes you think that they want to sell guns to Mexican drug gangs?? Has Colt advertised against new gun laws?? Cold is several month behind filling to orders that they already have and are ramping up production so I doubt thay even if they are that cold blooded they don't need criminals and insane people to sell guns to. But the liberal horde still calls for more laws as if the new laws will prevent violence b but laws don't do anything. The biggest straw man to sell guns to Mexico is Holder.
So when they kick in your door at 2AM you can start telling them about your rights. If they dont light up every thing that moves first. I have nothing to hide, yet I sure dont want the feds coming into my home. And if they try........... I have the right to bear arms. Period. No till someone gets killed, no as long as they are the arms ok'd by the government. Read the 27 words that make up the 2A, then talk.
