Good grief. Emotionalism. That is all this legislation is. The legislation these ***** are trying to pass won't change a thing. Chicago. More deaths by handguns. Where is the handgun ban? It's all a joke Tec. Quit buying this whole issue of gun control. It's an utter catastrophe. The problem isn't the guns, it's the idiots using them. Who are godless, without morals, no virtue, no values, & mentally screwed up.
I am well aware the legislation is but a band aid on a slit throat, and that it is likely all anyone will accomplish in this climate (if even that). But, it IS something which may very well effect this:
How will nonsensical legislation fix the morality of a people?....lol. Don't look to the government to fix the problem. They can't. - - - Updated - - - How will nonsensical legislation fix the morality of a people?....lol. Don't look to the government to fix the problem. They can't.
Error? Sure about that? May wish to read what lead up to that and not cherry pick. I know you types love to attempt to point out "errors" to try to win your debate when all else fails. Like actually knowing anything about what you are all up in arms about.
But it gives them a warm fuzzy when it looks like their elected officials are attempting to address the problem. Oh and that seems to be the same problem on both sides of the aisle.
.... 1) You are not talking about a Democracy..you are talking about a Socialistic state. 2) America goes to war for many different reasons. The reason they give YOU is fake. 3) The misuse of our Constitution is widespread. ie: the 2nd Amendment trumps the murders of school kids, innocent Americans, and lax laws that allow carnage and massacres as a matter of everyday life in America. 4) Under the lax gun laws we have today (kudoes to NRA and Congress) and the proliferation of guns easily purchased in the markets, gun shows, and privately, with no registration and responsibility for those weapons, with a supreme master the NRA, VP Biden is possibly correct in his statement, and it is why anti-gun legislation must be enacted. 5) Your disregard for the value of American lives is duly noted. But please tell us what if it were a child of yours that was massacred at Sandy Hook? How would you feel about the sanctity of life then? Would you be crying a river for legislation to save lives rather than anti-legislation seeking to rationalize the taking of lives so easily in America? How do you feel about the value of a life?
I love that last part, its always interesting how it comes out as a question. (in my best schrill voice) "what if it were your little angel he killed". Welp, as a realist. I would not start blaming the NRA, congress, the gun or anything or anyone but the person who did the act. How far are you willing to destroy the constitution to make sure another child is not killed? How many things are we going to give up to make sure another child is not killed? You people are tilting at windmills over this. So many things are dangerous, so many people are dangerous. Lets save 12 kids a year right off the bat by banning highschool football. Sandy Hook was a tragedy of monumental purportions. But gun control, any gun control is not going to stop it. Armed guards or school based police is going to stop it. Simple as that.
Thats actually not true, they backed the instant background checks system. But now its obvious the gun grabbers want more. As was told they would.
From what I've read, the legislation seems reasonable to me. I think everyone would agree gunshow loopholes should be closed. Although, my husband says he doesn't know what they are talking about because he's bought guns at gunshows and they did a background check. Maybe some states don't. But regardless, any such loopholes should be closed. I'm fine with making it a crime for someone else to purchase a gun for someone when they had "reasonable" expectation that the person wanted it for criminal purposes. And I'm absolutely fine with background checks on internet sales. Sounds like it's simply tightening up the laws we already have and that's a good thing. The only thing wrong is that it doesn't even touch the mental illness issue of all this. And virtually everyone of these type killings in the past several years were done by young people on meds for mental problems. They should have considered a database for this.....so that anyone with a record of mental problems will appear on the background checks and NOT be allowed a gun. Of course, that still won't account for those like the Sandy Hook killer who used his Mom's guns....and guns she allowed him to purchase and have easy access to. Not sure how to legislate against STUPIDITY.
Your comments indicate that you have no children. Would this be correct? Children are our future. We must do everything we can to protect them.
' But let's do the right thing........instead of things that aren't even related to what happened. Let's protect our children and grandchildren from the people who are actually doing this.
It did stop him from buying a gun. So he stole his mothers. - - - Updated - - - That is a broad statement. What do you propose we ban. If its just guns, dont bother answering.
If you buy a gun at a gun show from a FFL, they will do a back ground. If you buy from a private seller, they do not. But in Florida they are required to take your drivers licence info.
There was an armed guard at Columbine that exchanged fire with one of the shooters. Anyone looking for a panacea is a fool. Plain and simple. We need better education on both guns and mental illness. We need a better way to keep guns out of hands of certain kinds of people but that is unlikely. But if we make it harder to walk into a school and fire over 150 rounds in a few minutes then why are so many people opposed?
The ends are not the issue, its the means. So Columbines guard sucked. We need better guards, or actual police. Not rent a cops.
And lets just say Iam not a parent. I had parents. Good parents. Brave parents. My father left high school to join the Navy the day after Pearl was bombed and didnt come home from the pacific until after the war. At which point he joined the DCPD. My mother went to Germany with the Red Cross right after the war to care for non mobil wounded soldiers and flyers. Came home and spent 20 years with the DOD. So my observation in life is nothing is easy. Nothing is a given. Life is not fair and there are boogymen that are willing to kill us. Niether of my parents would propose we disarm to "keep the children safe". Because they knew that willingly disarming will do nothing more than invite worse things to happen. I dont have all the answers to why there are crazy people. I have my opinions about it, but I am not a doctor. So if you are willing to disarm to provide what you think will be a safer life and world for your children, you do it. Hope it works out for you. I will not disarm, myself, my children, my wife.
"It did stop him from buying a gun. So he stole his mothers." Taxcutter says: Anyone willing to kill his mother to commit other crimes can't be stopped short of shooting him outright.
That right there is one of the issues. The people trying to pass these laws and those who support same know next to nothing about guns and how the function or the history of the laws already passed that were ineffectual. As evidenced by that idiot congresscritter from CO.
How exactly can universal background check laws be enforced? Do you think a law is going to stop private gun sales? How could it? How is law enforcement going to prove you obtained a gun without a background check? All a person would have to do is say they obtained the gun from a private sale before the law went into effect. Good luck proving them wrong in court. These laws are meaningless.
I little golden nugget to think about for those of you on instant background checks and mental illness. How many kids in K-12 today, are on anti-depressants and ADHD meds? When they become age 18, will these "mentally ill" people be able to buy a weapon? They have been on mental, psychological drugs their whole life. Think about it.
To Democrats, the fact that so many kids are prescribed ADHD meds is a feature, not a bug. Upon reaching adulthood (21 in the case of guns) they will be legally denied ever being able to buy a gun because they are crazy. Under ObamaTax doctors could be "encouraged" to put everyone on some similar drug once or twice then everyone is "crazy" and prevented from buying guns. Pilots have a similar problem. Ever get hospitalized for even the mildest heart condition and your medical evaporates. Lose your medical and you cannot be pilot-in-command. You are (as Chuck Yaeger put it) "Spam in a can" the rest of your life. From the gun confiscators point of view, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Can't get the guns then disqualify the law-abing owners. In liberal bizarro-world, failure of a gun-grabbing law to have any effect is not a reason to eliminate that law but rather pass new ones.
if I were a lib I would be looking into any Democratic Senators who vote against this and supporting their opponents in 2014. Find the most liberally progressive candidate you can in places like N Dakota and Montana and get them on the ballots there, I am sure they will win on a landslide
