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Obama’s Spying Scandal Is Starting To Look A Lot Like Watergate

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Your messiah's fake "Spygate!" hysteria has fizzled.

    Reality upsets you, but it's very persistent.
     
    Natty Bumpo, May 28, 2018
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  2. Capt Nice

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    I know you wouldn't make up chit so please tell your source.
     
    Capt Nice, May 28, 2018
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  3. danielpalos

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    so far; it is about why "Your guys showed up on Mr. Sulu's security board". There are guilty pleas, pursuant that line of inquiry, to my knowledge.
     
    danielpalos, May 28, 2018
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  4. MMC

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    Those at the Federalist show why you need that Play Doh. Same thing with the Gay Leftist Greenwald at the Intercept. Then those at the WSJ.

    It gets worse for your kind when other leftists Like Greenwald and Penn get out there just to save your kind from going over the edge with the illiberals. Just an FYI there.
     
    MMC, May 28, 2018
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  5. danielpalos

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    coincidence or conspiracy that the right wing, got caught in their own public policy devices; Patriot Act, anyone?
     
    danielpalos, May 28, 2018
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  6. MMC

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    Still waiting for the Pleas of guilt to Russian Collusion. So far you got a Decade old crime and a couple of Process crimes. Which has nothing to do with Trump. Take some more time, maybe you can find just one.
     
    MMC, May 28, 2018
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  7. danielpalos

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    dude, your guys got "caught not Acting, Patriotic enough; with foreign nationals.
     
    danielpalos, May 28, 2018
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  8. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~~~~~~
    By law the CIA cannot operate on American soil. It is can only operate in countries other than the United States.

    Central Intelligence Agency
    https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/faqs
    The Central Intelligence Agency's primary mission is to collect, ... Does the CIA spy on Americans? ... does not engage in US domestic law enforcement.
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    CIA Still Acting Like A Domestic Surveillance Agency ...
    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150616/14381731365/cia-still...
    Jun 17, 2015 · CIA Still Acting Like A Domestic Surveillance Agency, Despite Instructions Otherwise ... domestic surveillance US law ... the CIA's US-focused spying ...
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    CIA activities in the United States - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_States
    CIA     activities in the United States ... it has performed operations within the United States to achieve ... although these are only allowed for communication ...
     
    Wehrwolfen, May 28, 2018
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  9. Hoosier8

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    You mean like being accused of timing but not lying.
     
    Hoosier8, May 28, 2018
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    No. It is extremely unusual.

    That doesn't mean it was done for political purposes. They could have been - you know - doing their job. Following up on probable cause. Investigating potential interference in American elections (which did actually happen).

    Political parties and campaigns are not immune from the rule of law. If the authorities have reason to believe there may be laws being broken, they are obliged to investigate.

    That is what Trump and his supporters are undermining. The rule of law.

    If he is exonerated I will be fine with that. But the indictments that have been issued so far indicate that there was something there. Maybe not him, but others.
     
    bx4, May 28, 2018
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  11. bx4

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    I don't see any mechanism that the election could be overturned, no matter what Mueller finds.

    Do you? If so, I'd be interested in hearing your constitutional basis.

    I don't think anyone believes the election will be overturned. So there is that argument gone. Thanks for playing.
     
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    The rule of law doesn't include spying on an opposition candidate in an election. If the FBI had reason to believe the Trump campaign had been infiltrated by a Russian agent they would certainly tell Trump so he didn't divulge any state secrets but that was not done proving they were spying on Trump himself.
     
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    The FBI didn't spy on the Trump campaign. That narrative is false.

    No campaign is immune from investigation if there is probable cause. So far no-one in the FBI has been convicted of any wrongdoing. No warrants have been overturned. There is no indication that they did anything other than go by the book.

    And your last point is ridiculous. Do you think that the first thing the FBI does when they are investigating an organisation is to tell the head of that organisation that it is under investigation?

    There is literally no evidence that any investigation was done for political purposes. If you say otherwise I should be grateful if you would identify the rules / laws / guidelines that anyone in the FBI breached.
     
    bx4, May 28, 2018
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    Gatewood, May 28, 2018
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    The lefts trying to tell us exactly that. They claim they were not spying on Trump himself but we're spying on someone in his campaign. You just admitted they were indeed spying on Trump.
     
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    None of us has the details of what was going on. It will come out over time.

    Until there is any evidence to the contrary, I will believe that the FBI did things by the book, and not for political reasons. And so far there is NO evidence - none at all - that they didn't go "by the book". No evidence that anything was done for political reasons. None.
     
    bx4, May 28, 2018
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  17. MissingMayor

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    You guys really need to brush up on your Nixon history. It wasn't just a break in.
     
    MissingMayor, May 28, 2018
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  18. danielpalos

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    no, like making personal for-profit deals on the Public's dime.
     
    danielpalos, May 28, 2018
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    Nixon: no one will top my corruption

    Obama: hold my beer.
     
    webrockk, May 28, 2018
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    None of this has come from Donald Trump, as Gatewood said: American Citizens, true patriots unlike Comey who commits insubordination and LIES to the Chief Executive Officer of these United States have researched and undertaken the extensive leaks that have come out. This is perhaps the most counter-revolution to corporate media in political history.

    And this is completely justified, we demand of our law enforcement officials to follow the law. We also demand for them not to use propaganda against US Citizens.

    You are the victim of a propaganda campaign against the POTUS, and by extension against the United States.
     
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    Your guy had no State secrets as a Candidate.
     
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    Proof?
     
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    guilty pleas, not enough?
     
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    Much worse, actually as they used informants to plant a LIE, and then harvested that SAME LIE, to obtain a FISA warrant, and begin illegal surveillance of their political opposition.
     
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    The evidence is the deed itself. They spied on a presidential candidate at the bequest of a sitting president
     
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