Obama’s Spying Scandal Is Starting To Look A Lot Like Watergate

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By MIchael Barone
    5/27/2018


    F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims,” read the headline on a lengthy New York Times story May 18. “The Justice Department used a suspected informant to probe whether Trump campaign aides were making improper contacts with Russia in 2016,” read a story in the May 21 edition of The Wall Street Journal.
    So much for those who dismissed charges of Obama administration infiltration of Donald Trump’s campaign as paranoid fantasy. Defenders of the Obama intelligence and law enforcement apparat have had to fall back on the argument that this infiltration was for Trump’s — and the nation’s — own good.
    It’s an argument that evidently didn’t occur to Richard Nixon’s defenders when it became clear that Nixon operatives had burglarized and wiretapped the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters in June 1972.
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    Has an outgoing administration ever worked to delegitimize and dislodge its successor like this? We hear many complaints, some justified, about Donald Trump’s departure from standard political norms. But the greater and more dangerous departure from norms may be that of the Obama officials seeking to overturn the results of the 2016 election.


    Source: https://nypost.com/2018/05/27/obamas-spying-scandal-is-starting-to-look-a-lot-like-watergate/

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    This is multiple time worse than Watergate. Obama's actions make Watergate look like a college prank. He weaponized federal agencies and officers into his personal STASI secret police against America.
    In Watergate, it was Nixon’s actions AFTER the burglary was exposed that led him to Resign.
    At least there was no proof of his involvement beforehand, but opinions are vary.
    They may never find a direct link to Obama, but his minions know and there are weak links many are well aware of their Mission, from the IRS Louis Lerner Scandal all the way to this. Someone will expose it completely.
     
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    The Dems weaponized the IRS, the FBI, and the Justice Dep't. They already had the State Dep't infested with radical leftists. The Dems have done what Nixon only fantasized about.

    I hope we can use the FBI to spy on the Dem candidates in 2020.
     
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    You don't need to remind us to "remember" fake news.
     
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    The "fake news" is in the original post.
     
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    More than time for a special prosecutor.
     
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    Got to have an excuse to spy on Americans.
     
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    VUX is fake news.
     
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    WTF? There is absolutely zero evidence - none whatsoever - that the FBI failed to follow normal investigative guidelines / rules / laws.

    None. Zero. Nada. Zip.

    If you say otherwise, identify what law you say the FBI broke.

    You are just perpetuating the fake narrative the Trump is spinning. It is wrong and destructive to American values. It is anti-American.
     
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    I find this hilarious. What? Oh ever since trump won we have heard accusations from your tribe, that he colluded with russia, and into trumps second year we still hear that and never was there any evidence of it, any evidence of breaking the law. But now suddenly we need evidence?!

    The partisan mind is such a terrible thing to waste. ha ha ha
     
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    I haven't accused Trump of any crimes. Don't lump me with leftists just because I see that he is a charlatan.

    Trump manufactured this idea that the FBI / DOJ is corrupt. It is anti-American but it suits his narrative to get ahead of the curve and undermine Mueller before (in case) Mueller comes out with anything negative.

    And all the Trump-bots repeat it and applaud it without realising that in doing so they are damaging America.

    I will wait for the Mueller report and I will wait for the IG to report on Trump's claims of a corrupt FBI / DOJ. I will accept both of those reports at face value.

    Will you?
     
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    Remind me of how many indictments have been handed down by Mueller’s team. No evidence of law-breaking.... with multiple indictments.
     
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    Not a single one to support the reason for the investigation. That trump illegally colluded with russia to beat hillary. I think that has the upmost importance. If they were going after Manafort, for prior crimes, then they got him. But is that who they were going after? ha ha They had to settle for Manafort, and Flynn, with Flynn lying to the feds. And not about anything that is illegal, just his lying.

    But I am sure there is more coming!! Trump will be found to work for Putin, perhaps even a Manchurian kinda agent for russia, brainwashed on one of his visits to russia that he made in order to specifically piss on the bed obama slept in with his muslim hookers.
     
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    Sorry about that, as I thought you were one of these kind of leftists.

    I preferred the old kind of leftists, being an old man, the democrats that never completely trusted the fbi after hoover and the same leftists who understood what our CIA actually is and was very leery of them as an agency. I think you may be in the modern leftist camp more than you are willing to admit, or are aware of? Correct me if I am wrong.

    While I have always suspected this russian collusion deal was politically driven, from the very outset, I will depend upon the evidence for my final judgement. If there is none, as I suspect, then my 76 year old gut was right, once again. It has served me well over the years. Of course a gut feeling is actually a brain that can sniff out the BS as it awaits evidence. The brain, if not infected with bias and partisanship is a wonderful instrument. But if infected and affected? Useless as teats on a boar hog. Like a computer with a bad virus.
     
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    It is funny that many of the old dems I know now defend the FBI.
     
  16. One Mind

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    Well, I had to leave that party because of clinton's globalism that agreed with the GOP on what we call free trade, but is really about offshoring our manufacturing base that the founder's help to create by their policy of america being independent economically.

    I have not trusted the FBI since we found out about Hoover. A damned blackmailer. Corruption.
     
  17. Hoosier8

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    No one should trust a group who’s primary job is lying which applies more to the CIA but the FBI has routinely had cases thrown out of court for making things up.
     
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    And we agree. You know, I am astounded by the number of americans who have never paid any attention to what we have found out about the CIA and FBI over the years. Being wary of gov't and never trusting it, as our founders were well aware of, is very American.

    Many people have said that the CIA operates above our constitution and has done so since its inception. But when the head of it lies to congress, and nothing happens and they spy on their own oversight committee when they are not supposed to operate within our own borders, well...you get my drift. And in neither case did the CIA suffer, its head. I find that alarming. It looks like something other than a rule of law, constitutional republic, because hell, it is.
     
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    Political parties are like teams and you pick a team and support it. It must be disconcerting for old-style Democrats to see how far left the new Democrat party has moved. I often say that the new Democrat party would consider the old Democrats far right. It is an exaggeration but it is a point somewhat valid. The Republican Party is supposed to be a party of smaller government But has hardly acted as such. So what is one supposed to do? Support their team, or support something that mixes it up? Hard to do with a two party system but I think Trump has mixed it up by acting like an actual Republican.
     
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    Hell, I was a lifelong democrat until clinton. But a centrist democrat, not that much different from the republican Ike. And as reagan said, the democratic party left him first. Same with me. It just got too damned post modernist and too damned into the realm of social marxism, identity politics, etc. As it turned its backs on working and middle class americans.

    I do not recognize the DP today as the democratic party of my earlier days because it isn't. And IMO, we need the old DP back, for I always saw that old party as keeping watch and limiting the excesses of the top dog capitalists in their excesses that hurt america and her people. Not from indulging in free market capitalism, but by indulging in another form of capitalism, a non nationalistic capitalism...or globalism.
     
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    So why is the Lame Stream media trying to pimp out that the investigation was to Protect Trump? Why is the leftness running with that bullshit?

    Only the leftness would fall for the okie doke.
     
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    The Trump scandal does resemble Watergate to the extent that Nixon's goons were also engaging in criminal activity to obtain information to destroy the political opposition.

    In Nixon's case, it was a break-in at Democratic Party headquarters. In Trump's case, it was consorting with Russian operatives as an aspect of Putin's caper to help Trump and hurt Clinton. (FBI, NSA, and CIA intelligence confirmed by the Republican-run Senate Intelligence Committee and Trump Secretary of State Pompeo.)

    The Cry Baby has been raving hysterically about his "Spygate!" fantasy to divert the work of the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, of course.

    His delusion is, apparently, based upon media reports that an undercover FBI intelligence source met with Trump campaign aides in the summer and fall of 2016 as part of the agency’s running counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s meddling in the presidential campaign. (They did.)

    Trump lied, yet again, recently when he falsely claimed that former intelligence director Clapper said, “Trump should be happy that the FBI was SPYING on his campaign!”

    The truth is that Clapper had confirmed that the FBI did not spy on his campaign. He said that Trump should have been happy to know that the FBI was investigating “what the Russians were doing” to infiltrate his campaign and influence a U.S. presidential election.

    As has been exposed, there were numerous clandestine meetings of Putin's operatives with Trump's that they had tried to conceal.

    Now that Congressional Republicans have met with the FBI and dismissed Trump's lunatic delusion, Trump's cult can concentrate, once again, upon sleazy Giuliani leading the dung-flinging blitzkrieg against the individual respected for his impartial integrity.

     
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    Fantasize much?
     
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    The majority of U.S. citizens now believe that the Mueller investigation was politically motivated to 'get Trump'; and they they in turn are basing it on all the information progressively being revealed by legitimate Right of Center investigative journalists AND investigative attorneys whereas all the Left with their leftist-allied mainstream media is doing is rationalizing away presented . . . facts. People finally noticed.
     
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    If the public mood is switching it is because of Trump's relentless and unjustified attacks on the independence of law enforcement officers who deserve better than the slander he casually tosses at them.
     

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