Obama admits he is not a natural born citizen. Does it matter to you?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by NaturalBorn, Apr 4, 2011.

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If Obama admitted he's not an NBC does it matter?

  1. No! He was elected and should finish his term.

    23.8%
  2. Yes! He should be removed immediately and tried.

    76.2%
  1. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Obama attends the press briefing today and explains he knew he was not a natural born citizen but decided to run and accept the office of President of the United States anyway and dares anyone to remove him.

    Would this matter to you?
     
  2. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    Yes. Does it matter to you if he is the legitimate president? No.
     
  3. NaturalBorn

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    Start your own poll, but be prepared to face the wrath of the Obots that are getting nervous about the fact that this issue is still front and center.
     
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    >>>Should it matter to me?
     
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    Yes.

    If the president states that he was actually born in Kenya then he should be impeached and removed form office. But not for the reasons you would think. He should then be removed from office for finally succumbing to the endless onslaught of birther propaganda and falsehoods, and for ignoring fact and reality.

    Of course, the president admitting something like this, which never happened, has about as much chance of happening as him roping a wild unicorn on the White House lawn, so I am going to vote yes in the poll.

    On edit. (*)(*)(*)(*), There is no unicorn option.
     
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    >>>What are the reasons I should think? The law as it exists is an artifact from the founding father's all white, landholding, gentlemen's club.
     
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    Although I don't personally agree that you should have to be a NBC to be president (I don't even agree that there should be an executive branch), Obama should be removed from office if he admits he is not a NBC, following the words of the Constitution.
     
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    Obama has already admitted that he isn't a natural born citizen.
    When he helped to write and voted for SR.511 which proclaimed that McCain was a natural born citizen because he was born on what was considered US soil to TWO US citizen parents.
     
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    people are not born as natural leaders, they learn through education and experience. Those who are born to power are generally the worst leaders of all, and because someone is a native or a citizen does not always qualify them as good leader material, again, education and experience are called upon.. Obama has had the education, now he is gaining the experience.
    Military generals have loads of leadership instilled into them, doesn't mean they are all good presidential material. Running a huge country is a bit different from running an army where everyone jumps at a command.
     
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    He's naturalized. I honestly don't think being a natural born citizen should matter. Of course you shouldn't live in China then move here when you're 35 and run for president when you're 35 1/2. But there's a point where you're American "enough".

    I think it's just being nitpicky otherwise. I also think it's ridiculous that if you're not a citizen when you're born but lived here all your life besides the birth and are completely naturalized, plus are a great person and a benefit to the country that you can't run for President.

    It's just a technicality that doesn't matter to me.
     
  11. a777pilot

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    On a rare occasion I agree with you. This is a rare occasion. I agree with you.

    p.s., I like your high school picture.
     
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    I was going to say the same thing......but


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    I think his Avatar is cubby in Drag~~~~~~
     
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    Of course thats not what your poll states. I think there is a special place in Hell for people who design polls like this.

    If Obama admitted he's not an NBC does it matter?
    "No! He was elected and should finish his term."
    "Yes! He should be removed immediately and tried."

    Note that NB didn't say 'impeached' he said 'removed and tried' by some extra-constitutional means.

    What I think any rational person would say is that regardless of who the President is, if after taking office it was found that person was not eligible, then Congress should act- the House should start impeachment proceedings and if they find sufficient evidence that he is not eligible, then impeach him or her and send to the Senate for trial.

    That is how our Constitution says to do it- whether that President was Reagan or Obama.

    But yeah- NB left out the unicorns dancing on the White House lawn option.
     
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    Where's the proof obama said this.....im interested to see it.
     
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    The real question is: Should people bother responding to dumb ass threads by birthers?
     
  16. Wingless

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    Yeah it would definitely matter... if he admits that he isn’t a natural born citizen he should be impeached and tried.
    Since we’re discussing things that aren’t the case and could never happen I’d also like to point out that I’d also be concerned if: he admitted he was the “anti-Christ,” a communist, a radical Muslim, a space alien, or a transsexual.
     
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    The McCain challenge was ignorant and was dispensed with in 20 minutes in committee.

    Read the WHOLE law... Obama is a natural born citizen.. So aare Rubio and Jindal.

    SR.511 is a "resolution"... an acknowledgment.
     
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    Strictly speaking, the constitution proscribes no method of resolving this issue, and arguably the 14th amendment might imply that the NBC requirement is no longer valid (because it wouldn't be providing equal protection under the law).

    It would have to go to the supreme court. I think it would be more likely that Obama would be barred from running for a second term; not actually impeached.
     
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    If ANY President admits that they weren't born a citizen of the US, then they should either resign or face impeachment as per the Constitution.

    However, as we all know, Obama was born in the US and is the son of a US citizen which makes him a natural-born citizen.

    Only one of your choices is valid.

    The ONLY way to legally remove a President is to impeach him so "removing him immediately" and THEN trying him would be illegal.
     
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    The Constitution doesn't actually suggest that they ought to be impeached. The Constitution proscribes no remedy. While a resignation would be likely, it's not immediately apparent that there is any method of actually removing someone who violates the NBC requirement. To be perfectly honest, there is even a good argument to be made that the 14th amendment invalidates the NBC requirement entirely (as part of the equal protection clause).
     
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    As arrogant as he is I don't think he actually would have the courage to admit he did anything wrong. His actions and attitude toward our nation, like bowing to foreign leaders (not to mention his wife hugging the Queen which is not allowed even by her family) has made us the laughing stock of the world. There is simply put, something basically wrong with his upbringing that has created the man who now holds the highest office in our land. How followers are like "Moonies" who would jump off a bridge for him if he asked...that's scary!
     
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    Ah...you did!
     
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    By placing his hand on the Bible and swearing to uphold the constitution would make it an impeachable offense because it describes in the constitution that the president has to be a natural born citizen. He would have lied to America with his hand on the Bible...no free pass there. But anyway, this is hypothetical.
     
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    While the Constitution doesn't say that Congress can impeach the President for not being eligible, there is also no mechanism in place to prevent Congress from impeaching for whatever rationale they want. The Supreme Court cannot overrule impeachment or conviction.

    I think it is pretty obvious that Congress could impeach a President who was found not to be eligible.

    Or they could just wait until the next election, and declare that they would not confirm an ineligible President.
     
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    Seriously, I don't think you know anyone outside the U.S.

    Most of the world doesn't care about that steer manure. They care about the economy and what wars the U.S. is involved in.

    And considering the economy in Europe, I don't think that they are laughing at the U.S. about that.
     

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