Yet another reason to vote this clown out of office. The daughters he claims to chesrish so much were once "punishment" apparently!
It is unfortunate but true. Lifers often use pregnancy, painful labor and childbirth and then of course the resulting unwanted infant as a punishment for her having sex. When you say sex has consequences that often implies there will be punishment to follow having sex. I think a lot of lifers seem to think that by having a baby that will teach the woman a lesson about sex and she'll no longer want to have sex. However that never seems to be the case. Usually when a woman has children young or before she's prepared to care for them her and her resulting infant end up beneath the poverty line constantly struggling just to survive and as a single mother to boot. And many times she ends up having quite a few more children after that making the struggle even more difficult. You might not like it but abortion helps prevent things like this from happening. By having an abortion now the woman can finish her education properly and start a good career. She can go through the dating scene and find a suitable companion who will be there for her and her future offspring with him and they can build a good foundation of a home and family. Abortion also allows women to space their children apart properly if needed. Abortion helps women not only pave the way to a good future but to build a better one for the children she will have later on. And yes, you will cry, "abstinence! abstinence!" but that is simply an unreasonable request to make. Humans, like most mammals, are sexual beings. We have desires and physical needs. Sexual repression is not a good thing. It is healthy for humans to connect on a sexual level with each other, especially if they are in a loving and monogamous relationship. I don't know about you, but I need that connection with my partner on a regular basis. It is love and it is healthy to have it.
Do you not understand the difference between adults having children they are prepared for, and children having children? Do you really think a 14 or 15 year old getting pregnant would be a happy event?
As was pointed out to you, pro-lifers often state that women who have sex should suffer the consequences. "Suffer the consequences" means punishment.
Pro-lifers are such drama queens. It is punishment if you look at it logically. The Obama's were grown adults when they had their children. Had Michelle given birth at age 12-16 it certainly would've been a punishment for her; emotionally, and physically (in more than a few ways). At 16-22 it could've hindered her education, made it harder to get jobs, and forced her to mature early. It could also be bad for the kid, being born to an immature and untried person who wasn't prepared.
Being forced to endure an unwanted pregnancy, putting your life and health at risk, IS punishment, and only something lifers support.
no, 'lifers' don't think that giving birth will keep anyone from having sex... what we HOPE is that she will learn that sex isn't just a sport or entertainment activity...we HOPE she will learn that there is more to life than herself and her own desires and pleasure. I need that connection with my HUSBAND too...but I can go without for a day or two if need be. I am a thinking, reasoning intelligent being that can control my own genitals...so if we need to worm horses, or work calves or stay up with a sick child; I can do without and survive. the idea that expecting someone to be responsible with their sexual behaviour is somehow going to completely ruin their lifes is ridiculous and juvenile. It isn't a matter of "either have kids or go without forever and ever"...you can have all the sex you can handle...just do it responsibly. Get over your own genitals, get a mate and move on to actually being a contributing member of society. it's hilarious to read someone talking about their 'connection' while claiming sex is nothing..
yeah, because enduring an abortion and living the rest of your life knowing you killed your own child is SOOOOOO much better....
You're wrong, many lifers think the example of a young woman forced to give birth and give her child up for adoption will stop other young women from choosing sex. It hasn't worked for thousands of years that young women have been choosing sex outside of marriage, but nonetheless they remain undeterred. And you hope she will learn that from the punishment of pregnancy/childbirth. Wow, you are SOOOOO self-disciplined...you can go for a day or two!!! I'm so impressed!!! But you do understand that couples practicing abstinence for "a day or two" won't much affect the unplanned pregnancy rate?? So all sex when you have a mate is "responsible"? Those with a mate are "contributing members of society" and those without a mate are not? Who's claiming sex is nothing? I thought pro-choicers were claiming sex is important. I think you've been out in the sun too long.
see how she again tries to rewrite history? according to her there was never a time before the Progressives reduced women to animals and men to unnecessary evolutionary anomalies. she also claims full knowledge of all mental processes of all her opponents. amazing...she should consider buying some lotto tickets.. my point being that the desperate cries of 'I'm horny!! I HAVE to have sex no matter what or who I have to hurt!" from the prodeathers is equally as silly. I am not surprised that went over your head though, I am sure you are too busy reading the minds of thousands, nay, MILLIONS of women around the country to determine their motives and prejudices.. how silly a translation... but I'll respond to the silliness...when a woman is having sex with a man and she a) does not know him well enough to know if he is going to stand by her; b) can't ask him to use a condom; c) doesn't want children with; d) has not been using birth control....then she is being irresponsible and potentially a drain on society. note also (although I know it doesn't fit your imagined perception of my stance) I said MATE; not husband...I am aware that there are many committed couples that are not married, and what they do is their own business. Don't worry about me, Granny; in spite of having two children I am prefectly fine thank you!! hale and hearty...breast cancer survivor going on two years now, and the sun never bothers me...my husband makes sure of that.. but what my point is! Prodeathers reduce sex to the equivalent of dogs rutting in the yard...prolifers still see the bond between mates as something special, emotional, and precious...
Progressives have had nothing to do with women having sex outside of marriage, which, btw, does not reduce women to animals. Women have been choosing to have sex outside of marriage since before marriage was invented. Men only became unnecessary anomalies since the development of cloning, and many of us really want to keep men, for fun, not because we have to have a man. You must have missed the word "many." . Gee, I've never met a pro-deather, but they must be pretty rare on this planet. Are you unaware that a significant portion of religious right-wing want to use the lack of contraceptives and abortion to motivate young women to remain chaste? a. cannot be predicted with any accuracy no matter how well she knows him b. condoms break, have leaks, come off c. plenty of married women don't want more children d. birth control fails So basically what you are saying is that any woman who has an unwanted pregnancy is irresponsible. I've never met a prodeather, so I wouldn't know about that, I am sure that plenty of pro-choicers also see the bond between mates as "special, emotional, and precious." I am also sure that plenty of prolifers violate that bond with extra-marital sex or cheating on their mates, don't you read the newspapers about politicians' affairs?
got it! you advocate slavery and dehumanizing not just of infants but of men. what a SAD world you dream of! oh they are quite common on THIS forum really? where is your proof of your assertions? Funny how YOU know so much about what religious people believe. yawn!! again with response number three....really, Granny, is it against your handlers rules to come up with SOME new stuff, just to mix it up just a bit? Really hearing the SAME ol' excuses is really boring. oh! so if a politician has sex outside of marriage, ALL people have sex outside of marriage!! what a silly thing to say/think...you might want to check your cue cards... really...politicians?
Hah...surf the net more. http://www.discreetadventures.com/browse/ http://www.philanderers.com/ http://www.marriedsecrets.com/married-but-looking.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Married-But-Looking/108267405890718 And many more. Just Google, "Married but Looking". Lots and lots of affairs out there. There are an incredible amount of people who cheat all the time. Don't pretend like it rarely happens. And believe it or not, despite the pedestal we put them on, politicians and famous people are still just people too, the only difference between them and the rest of us is that everything they do is constantly being watched and documented.
Rather an ironic pronouncement... ...considering this claim is only true if one equates logic with the sort of emotionalism which is identical (in essence if not intensity) to that which impels children to think it punishment when they're compelled to clean up a mess they've made.
But children are capable of cleaning up their messes. They aren't prepared for or capable of having and caring for children of their own.
Not all. Consequences =/= punishment. Consequences means there is an effect for your actions. When someone plays the lottery, they have the consequences of either being out a few bucks or winning some money. The "punishment" consequences from sex are STDs, not a child.
Tell that to the pro-lifers who insist women should not be allowed to avoid the consequences of their actions by having abortions.
Wasn't Barack conceived out of wedlock? Didn't his father marry his mother after she was already preggers? Let's see.... His parents were married on February 2, 1961 and he was born on August 4, 1961, just 6 months later. What a hypocrite.
That doesn't mean he was a punishment to his parents. He was born, so he must have been a wanted baby.
There are consequences for every action you do. If you people that believe the organism growning inside you that has a completely different strain of DNA than the mother isn't a human till it passes some magical thresh hold, then I can see why you would think that having a kid might be considered punishment, especially if they are as demonic as you with no reguard to life. Lefties amaze me with all their controdictions, all life is sacred and should never be killed, except if it is a human life just starting to grow inside a woman.
