Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards s Ineligibility Damage Control

What a bunch of horse(*)(*)(*)(*). The birth certificate was verified as authentic by the issuing agent. Are you not aware of that, or are you just ignoring that because it suits your altered reality?

 

I'm saying Obama is known to lie or is extremely stupid, not being polite. Since many people feel he is the smartest person in every room, it's easiest to play the lying line and a little more politically correct, as many folks automatically go to the racist angle and JEFF, you know this is true. In my mind, leaving out pertinent facts, is equal to a lie. Example; In probably 30 speeches or interviews over the past month alone, he has said the "US has 2% of the oil reserves, while using 20% of the World Supply", which at best is being deceitful.

If they were said by Obama, of course the faithful are going to call it something other than a lie, a gaff or that he mis-spoke and his opposition are going to call attention to the lie. At some point after only 3 1/2 years IN OFFICE, even the most faithful are beginning to wonder. Here you go again, at this point neither Gingrich or Romney has a "White House" staff to go out and do the deceiving, for political or other reasons. Romney does have a track record for flip/flopping which can be taken as deliberately lying or changing of the mind, neither politically practical, for me. Gingrich simply say's what he thinks on everything and too many people can't accept that quality.

I know you will, but those so called "birthers" probably question a whole lot of things you accept without question, but that's what the founders intended. I like to compare this to Defense/Prosecuting attorneys where either could do the others job, if needed, no less applicable for any debate.

Yeah, I know you think they were racist, but they wanted the President to be versed in the American Culture/traditions of the day and in their day, there WERE a lot LESS racist around to begin with. Unfortunately they WERE from Virginia, which was kind of needed to form the Constitution, saying nothing about winning the Revolutionary War.

Speaking of War, did you know Andrew Jackson, was born of two Irish immigrants and many had one foreign born parent;

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message844358/pg1

 

How have we come to this pass? In the upcoming presidential election we have a Kenyan running against a Mexican. Shakes head.

 

http://oregoncatalyst.com/7461-study-finds-significant-pro-democrat-politifact-bias.html

JEFF, I really don't like using this "who can find the most eggs" approach, but your complete argument source is based on what might be biased, then making your discussion moot. I do find it interesting this source was named after Humphrey, a rather liberal Democrat, which to you should give some legitimacy...

I've also gone over some of the first post, especially from Shiva and could argue his/her points, there are many other sources, but it's been my experience over many years posting political issues, that it's best not to argue moderator's that post with in a thread, then probably is responsible for dropping it (in this case, many) threads to "speculation or conspiracy" when in fact the "birther issue" is rarely dropped on any other forum.




Albert, Rubio is Hispanic from Cuba and will only be running for VP, if chosen....

 

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2011/02/selection_bias_politifact_rate.php

Well thats an interesting article. Did you actually read the article?

The article never makes a claim of bias- it only raises the issue of why the Republicans were found to be liars more often than Democrats.

And never attempts to decide whether or not it is because Republicans lie more than Democrats or not- but instead infers it might be because of bias.

But aside from that....if you know of a better factchecking site to check a politicians lies feel free to mention it.

Meanwhile- I will point out once again that the original post is a flat out lie.

And you have yet to show any concern about the validity of the original post or this thread at all.

Your concern about honesty seems rather.......unidimensional.

 

"Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards s Ineligibility Damage Control"

Simple question:

Do you believe this is a true statement, or do you believe this is a lie?

 

JEFF, I'd have probably emphasized this very young ladies claim that the BC has no meaning it Obama's eligibility, but the "lie" was all over the place, when first claimed. Frankly I'm not clear just what the truth is, being unaware whether the Court has or will release the transcripts. To infer, may or may not be a lie...

I jumped into this thread on your insistence Obama was not a liar of any kind, later by comparison to Republican Candidates, which is not relevant. If you can't accept the findings of your source, as being biased on this issue, to further discuss seems a rather waste of time. He may be the most prolific liar to ever hold the office, in addition to be deceptive in getting the office...

Example; For three years, he (Obama) has been crediting his administration for creating (pick your number 2-5 million) while the actual number of jobs even available are DOWN, to about what was when Bush 43 took office. If he knows this, he must, remember the smartest president ever, then he is simply a liar.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress....er-admits-his-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

 

anybody that watched the video and has a brain knows that it's a lie

 

The statement is false as Obama's lawyers never admitted that the either of the two birth certificates issued to President Obama were forgeries, and in fact, never stated that anything was a forgery. Obama's attorney agreed that images from the internet cannot be considered as evidence in the case because they are not the original documents and can be digitally altered (by people like "birthers").

Lawyers on both sides of the lawsuit agree to this which really makes the entire lawsuit frivilous because the plaintiffs claim that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery is based upon an internet image and is not based upon the original document which was certified by the Hawaii Dept of Health.

 

Oh its really a very clear issue. And your quote even answers it. Obama's attorney never said what the Daily Pen said she had said- and even admits this in your very quote when he/she explains that this claim was merely his/her interpretation of what she said.

Like all Birthers you seem particularly offended only by "Obama's lies' but not about "Obama lies".

When did I ever say that Obama was not a liar of any kind?

Seriously- that is a big claim to make....when did I ever say such a thing?

Oh the parsing of words. Frankly I am not going to go look it up- but as I recall Obama has pointed out that the number of privately created jobs has increased by X amount- but the numbers are down because the number of government jobs has been dramatically reduced around the country. I can easily find abuses of facts by both sides on this issue- and economists who argue in support of both sides.

Obama is a politician. Politicians lie. Does he lie more than other politicians? You cited the article that questioned Politifacts bias...but never refuted it- and never refuted a single actual claim of Politifact. The article never once said that Politifact was not accurate- but that its methodology on which issues to evaluate might be biased. The facts still show that the Republicans lie at least as much- and apparently more than Obama.

After all- the Republicans are the party of Richard Nixon, plumbers and dirty tricks.

The one thing that is clear though is that the original post is a flat out lie. That is far easier to determine than whether Obama or Romney are lying about employment numbers.

 

Agreed- she never said- nor implied- the author 'interpreted' her remarks and lied about what she said.

This is an M.O. used by Birthers repeatedly.

And they usually follow it with a claim that Obama is a liar.

 

JEFF, looking back at my first post answering the above, it appears you have been consistent in comparing Obama the President to Republican Candidates, my error.

However you have not convinced me the OP was a lie, only possibly a mis-interpretation of what was said. As later said, my concern would have been over her saying "Obama's popularity overrode any concerns of his BC", paraphrased to make the point. I'd rather read the court records but it's really not worth the time. Incidentally you were pretty tough in you comments with CoolWalker, which seems out of character for you....

Now it's Nixon, whom I'd argue was the right person for the time and spent his entire life serving his Country. Obama could have been, but failed miserably, IMO.
Here is one version of Obama's first two years and including the stimulus, I have no idea how many LIES were told to a gullible electorate. By the way Bush 43 inherited a pretty bad recession, over the Tech Bubble and neither his or Obama's, compared to what Reagan inherited, which neither lasted as long as this one.

Read more: Obama Says Stimulus Created Up to Two Million Jobs

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249516/job-creation-bush-vs-obama-veronique-de-rugy

 

And both were born in America. So who cares what their racial background is?

Did you miss the part where the video of the actual hearing was posted in this thread numerous times?

 

Hey guess what. The national review is lying. Bush II came into office with an unenployment of 3.6% he left it with unemployment at 7.7. Within 2 years of assuming power he had unemployment up to 6.3, then it dropped slowly till march 2007 where it troughed at 4.4, and rose slowly till April 2008 where it was at 4.8

http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...state&ifdim=state&tdim=true&hl=en_US&dl=en_US

So even at best Bush never equaled the unemployment rate he was given by his predicesor.

Of course you are lying too and know it, AS THAT ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED October 12, 2010

So yeah, 2 years ago is real relevent to right now, ass.

And by the way, the OP said that Obamas laywer admitted forgery, the actual video which you mysteriously "dont have time" to look at shows clearly she didn't. So that means the OP LIED. So yeah, you want Obama to be lying. Deal

 

Well that is a rather half assed admission of error. You claimed that I was saying Obama never lied- which of course I never said or implied. You on the other hand have try to claim that Obama's lies are unprecedented, where I point out that by any measurable standard Obama's lies are on par with Republicans, if not even lower. Is that great? No...but that is not the point of this thread.

Why are you even in this thread if you aren't concerned with the validity of the claim in the original post?

Lets play a mind game- by all accounts of everyone who has listened to the hearing, Obama's attorney never said what the OP claimed.

Assuming for a moment that Obama's attorney didn't 'admit a forgery'- why would the OP be motivated to post that lie?

Richard Nixon as President was a pretty decent example of a liberal Republican, and accomplished quite a few things that I approve of.

But Nixon himself was a lying, corrupt man, willing to engage in anything to get elected, willing to abuse the authority of his office to retaliate against his enemies and to try to cover up illegal actions committed on his behalf. These traits of his caused more damage domestically to our political process in the U.S. than any other President in the last 100 years. He deserves the reputation he is left with.

 

At this point, even the blowhards at the Daily Pen have admitted they were lying when they originally wrote the headline.

http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/the-daily-pen-yes-we-lied-and-our-blog-is-irrelevant/

 

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Aaaaand Snopes has it debunked. And they include video evidence.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ineligible.asp

So can we have an apology fron the birthers for wasting everyones time on yet another blatant lie?

 

Lets be fair to Birthers- if they had to apologize for every blatant Birther lie, they would have time for nothing but apologizing.

Note that not one of the Birthers who jumped in on this thread as another opportunity to bash Obama has ever shown the least concern over the fact that the OP was a blatant lie.

 

Under the deal struck in February, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and Ally Financial pledged to stop the illegal practices.

 

this is a quote from someone who calls herself nbc (not the whitehouse tv network).

"Parent’s citizenship has no relevance to the status of the child. Birth on soil is, with minor exceptions, what makes one natural born."

is it true ? has it been conclusive ? what are the exceptions ?

 

Scott- are you going to go around trying to resurrect every Birther thread with off topic comments?

And frankly I find your pretense of calling these a question rather annoying. You have asked all these 'questions' before, have had them all answered before.

You want a thread to discuss who is a natural born citizen- start one and state your postion. Just don't pretend you don't have one or that you are only asking questions.

 

snopes and radio free fogbow are your sources ? you guys are slipping.

 

that's your answer ?