Obama-No-Show at Trial. Sworn testimony reveals fake Social Security number!

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  1. rahl

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    why would any legitimate news agency report this? it's complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*), and you know it's complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  2. Margot

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    I have been flying internationally several times a year since 1950... Instead of three days in the mid 1960s I can now fly non stop from DC or NY to Riyahd in 12 hours.

    How old are you?
     
  3. James Cessna

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    Now you are being silly, Mellow Guy!

    You are trying to derail the subject with these foolish comments!
     
  4. SFJEFF

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    let me see if I can recap this one bit of Birther nonsense

    Birthers dont' believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii- despite the State of Hawaii officially and repeatedly saying he was born there.

    So they claim that IF this was to be true- then his mother flew from Hawaii to Seattle shortly after he was born- and question how that could be done for a new mother and newborn child.

    Yet they believe that she could have flown from Kenya to Seattle in the same time period. And of course that the pregnant future mother of the President flew from Hawaii to Kenya to give birth.

    And they don't see the humor in their own contradictory stories.

    All based of course on the usual speculation, innuendo and disproven lies.
     
  5. Foolardi

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    I could make a half-arse case that Obama is a No Show as President.
    I mean,has the Economy done better since elected.Or Iraq.
    The country is far worse off with polarization.
    The country is roundly poorer.Roundly more uncertain.
    Roundly more divisive and given to name-calling and veiled
    political threats.Like ... You'd better watch out or Everyone will
    be put on food stamps.
     
  6. The Mello Guy

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    Does this fictional definIntion of NBC only apply to dems?
     
  7. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes they are because they're not the Nominee.Even Rick Santorum.
    Republicans are pretty good about this sort of stuff.
    Congress mandated Congressional Hearings on John McCain's
    eligibility.Remember that.I'm sure many here don't.
    Did Congress decide to hold hearings on Obama's Eligibility.?
    No ... they did not.
    Know thy Dimocrat.They are evil personified in this hemisphere.
     
  8. Margot

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    The "hearing" on John McCain lasted about 20 minutes because those guys in committee can read.
     
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    Yes we know Margot...visiting your friends in the Muslim brotherhood...we know. When are you going back to Egypt anyway? I hear those return flights are murder to come by these days. Maybe, you can leave say....tomorrow?
     
  10. Margot

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    Don't be ridiculous.. Thousands of Americans have lived and worked in the ME for decades.

    Its petty and childish to make remarks like yours.
     
  11. SFJEFF

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    Certainly it appears that you think holding anyone else but Obama to the standards Birthers are applying is 'silly'.

    I guess pointing out the obvious is what you consider 'derailing a thread'
     
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    What's being ridiculous? You mean you haven't heard yet? About the six Americans in Egypt? Really? Wow
     
  13. SFJEFF

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    You have a good point- lets get back to your original claims- and how they have been refuted, and yet you don't want to discuss those claims:

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    Originally Posted by James Cessna
    I have never once questioned the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate, but it now appears our president has a lot of explaining to do.

    During this court hearing in Georgia, U.S. Immigration Services documents were entered into evidence revealing the immigration status of Obama’s father, Barack Obama Sr. These documents clearly show that, at the time of Obama's birth, Aug. 4, 1961, Obama’s father was a "non-citizen" of the United States.!



    Hardly a shock. President Obama wrote two books talking about how his father was not a citizen. You even claimed to have read them. Your faux shock reminds me of Casablanca:

    Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
    [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
    Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
    Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by James Cessna
    This classification is legally important because the U.S. Constitution clearly requires that for one to be president, he must be "natural born". To be natural born, one must have two parents who, at the time of the birth in question, are both citizens of the United States.!


    Well of course that is just Birther propaganda. All of us who grew up here in the United States knows that this is just another lie.

    And of course actual real legal experts call that a lie also- so that begs the question how did you suddenly decide that NBC requires two citizen parents?

    Lets see what the experts say:

    "There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:

    Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

    How about the Congressional Research Service? The Congressional Research Service is a part of the Library of Congress, providing professional, objective and non-partisan public policy research to members of Congress and their staffers.

    The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth.

    http://www.legistorm.com/score_crs/show/id/82388.html

    Perhaps we should refer to what some Republicans have said:

    Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC)

    Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.

    December 11, 2008 letter to constituent

    Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT)

    What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.
    Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004


    So this leads me to a really curious thought James.

    You suddenly seem to believe that Barack Obama is not eligible because of his father's citizenship- something you have known for at least 3 years. What makes you suddenly believe that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents? What brought about your conversion?

    Personally, I think its obvious that its just because it is a convenient way to continue your political attacks on President

    if you want a serious discussion- discuss seriously why you believe the claims you originally made, considering that all credible authorities say otherwise.
     
  14. Dutch

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    Is that a big deal, Margot? I've been flying internationally several times a week while living in Europe and still average 2-3 international flights per month...

    Do you even have a passport, Margot? :mrgreen:
     
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    No it doesn't. That's just a definition that the birthers WANT to apply, not one that is currently accepted by the US legal system.

    Those born on US soil, with a few exceptions, are natural-born citizens.

    There are only two types of citizens according to the US Constitution, natural-born and naturalized.

    SCOTUS precedent and the US Code completely contradict your idea that to be "natural born" one must be born to two citizen parents.
     
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    She's pointing out that travel back in the 60s took longer and was MUCH more expensive. Prohibitively expensive, in fact, for a pregnant 17 year old student.
     
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    I am not going to claim to know the definition of "Natural Born Citizen".

    If someone can prove to me that it means both parents are U.S. Citizens at the time of birth and that Barack Obama's father was a foreign national at the time of his birth, then you may have my ear.

    I am still wondering why he has a Social Security Number that is not from his state of birth or from a state where he has ever resided. It makes no sense.

    Something smells rotten.
     
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    even if the presidents father was a foreign national he should still be eligible for presidency.

    although the rule says if the parents are foreign nationals the child even though a citizen cannot have government jobs with secret clearances so the president does have the highest level of security clearance so maybe an exception was made.
     
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  20. BullsLawDan

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    A clerk at the SSA typed the wrong zip code into a form when the application was entered. A zip code in CT is one number different than the Honolulu zip code. Honolulu is 96801, Bethel CT is 06801. This has all been debunked for years now.

    Besides, what good would having a CT SSN do him? How would that help him in any way, versus having any other SSN? The SSA themselves has said these types of errors happened, and that people should not make anything of the supposed "state prefix" on SSN's.
     
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    and Why The Hell Is This Thread Not In Conspiracy Theories?

    Where The Hell Are The Mods At This Place?
     
  22. fiddlerdave

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    When someone can post his spam mailbox contents and years-old articles under "Current Events" like Cessna does, you do have to wonder.

    I have a few spam emails I am going to post, myself.
     
  23. James Cessna

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    You are mistaken, FD.

    The subjects of each of my discussions are indeed “current events". The articles I cite to back up these discussions may be several months or one or two years old, but they too are currents events because many controversies today have not changed that much in one or two years.

    It is as simple as that!

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    It is virtually impossible to prove anything with Obama because he has hidden everything and he has some very "big money" behind him...just look at his war chest, almost a billion dollars. That alone is unheard of...even Kennedy with all his money didn't produce that kind of capital. There are unseen powers at work here, what many call "The Shadow Government" and we know not who they are or what their agenda may be.
     
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    What you call 'hidden' are personal, private and irrelevant documents which have no bearing on his presidency and are completely irrelevant to anyone but lunatic birthers. Get over yourself, your dumb, puerile conspiracy theories and vote him out when you get the chance to.
     

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