Obama spoke with Mexican President. Refused to talk about jailed Marine

US and Canada were never friends.

GW Bush didn't even thank Canada for us allowing you to land planes on our territory and sheltering thousands of stranded americans.

And we constantly get threatened if we want to do so,ething that the US disagrees with

Friend? Yeah right

 

Perhaps if you confined your comments to the subject matter rather than taking cheap shots at me people would respect you more.

Then you have nothing to say about the blatant double standard of the leftists that wanted Bergdahl rescued by any means but hope Andrew Tamooressi rots in a medieval Mexican jail? I see.

The left to Andrew Tamooressi....drop dead!

By accident, obviously unless one thinks this fellow just wanted to break Mexican law for the fun of it.

 

Not'n. Absolutely not'n. We have no leverage on Mexico. As a matter of fact, we have no leverage on any country.

Is anyone old enough to remember Felipe Calderón being pissed at American Congress for toughening our border patrols, declaring "Mexico is everywhere where any Mexican is"? If he would have said it today, Obama would probably apologize for something.

The poor Marine's military service means nothing to Obama. We must not get Mexicans upset, least they sell us less radishes an cabbages this year.

 

Don't care what others think of me, but do as you say, not as you do, right?

No, I was discussing the thread topic, not engaging in highly partisan comparative morality, nor do I speak for "leftists".

I find it difficult to believe anyone can accidentally cross a border when it is so clearly marked, as the picture provided demonstrated.

 

Why do Republicans think we can ask other countries to excuse Americans for committing crimes?

I think it's very likely this Marine didn't intend to break any law. But that's irrelevant. Mexico is a sovereign nation, as (*)(*)(*)(*)ty as it may be. When you cross the border, you tacitly consent to be subjected to its laws.

The president has no right to tell Mexico to (*)(*)(*)(*) its laws and let this guy go. Just like Mexico has no right to ask us to let go people who cross our border illegal.

But you're probably thinking HERP DERP WHAT ABOUT THE STORY IN THE OP?!? Those were Mexican officers. They were acting in the scope of their authority for the Mexican government -- not on their own initiative. The marine was acting on his own.

 

Do you believe everything MSNBC tells you?

 

I have never watched MSNBC. Perhaps your argument would be better directed towards the thread topic, rather than discussing me.

 

you have no clue what you're talking about



Misguided partisans ask Obama to intervene for Marine jailed in Mexico

I have news for the fevered partisans accusing President Obama of putting the welfare of one American soldier held prisoner in a foreign country over another.

The situation of Marine reservist Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, 25, who has been jailed in Mexico since March 31 after being busted on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border with three firearms in his car, is not remotely comparable to the situation of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held for five years by the Taliban.

And you’re not doing Tahmooressi any favors by pushing that narrative.

Tahmooressi, who served two tours of duty in Afghanistan before retiring, told Greta Van Susteren that after spending the day in Tijuana (where he checked into, then out of, a hotel), he returned to the U.S. side of the border, and got into his truck.

He made a wrong turn, he said, and ended up accidentally crossing back into Mexico, where he tried to turn around but was stopped by Mexican border guards. He told them he had three guns – all legal in the U.S. – whereupon they arrested him because guns are illegal in Mexico, whether you entered the country by accident or not.

According to Vice News, Tahmooressi entered Mexico with a 5.56mm rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and a .45-caliber pistol, as well as more than 400 rounds of ammunition. The chief Mexican customs officer at the San Ysidro crossing told Vice that the guns, all loaded, were "just wrapped up in his belongings" rather than locked away and unloaded as required by California law. Vice also reported that "the rifle was found behind the driver’s seat, the shotgun on the passenger seat, and the pistol was in the driver-side door pocket, along with several cartridges."

It's pretty hard to accidentally end up in Mexico. Especially with guns. There are big signs on the U.S. side telling travelers that guns are illegal in Mexico. There’s plenty of warning that the border is approaching. Is it plausible that Tahmooressi crossed by accident in the dark? Maybe. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, even though he admitted that he lied to Mexican officials about how many times he'd crossed the border.

Tahmooressi’s mother, Jill Tahmooressi, has been campaigning in the media for American officials to secure her son’s release. A nurse, she told Vice News that her son needs specialized treatment. She said she had observed signs of paranoia in him, and that he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder at the Veterans Affairs facility in La Jolla on March 12. She said he is “hypervigilant” and in 2013, suffered from “hunter-prey syndrome; he was the prey.”

Let’s leave aside for the moment the horror we may feel at the idea that a psychologically compromised veteran who believes he is being hunted is driving around with three loaded guns and a cache of bullets, and is so out of it he misses numerous alerts that he is about to cross an international border.

Was it proper for Mexican authorities to arrest him on suspicion of violating the country's gun laws? Of course it was.

Should Mexico release the former Marine? Yes. I think Mexico should, and I think Mexico will.

And then every effort should be made to get this young man into treatment, and to separate him from his guns and ammo before he hurts himself or anyone else.

As my colleague Tony Perry has reported, at least 24 members of Congress have called on the State Department to work with Mexican authorities to free Tahmooressi. Last month, Secretary of State John Kerry brought up Tahmooressi's plight in talks with Mexican officials, and the case is being monitored by the U.S. Consulate in Mexico.

Still, that hasn’t stopped the partisan noise machine from trying to use this unfortunate young man’s plight as a cudgel against the president.

“This Administration went to unprecedented lengths for Bowe Bergdahl by making a lopsided deal with an untrustworthy partner,” U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter told Fox News. Meanwhile, “Andrew Tahmooressi is still stuck in a Mexican jail for making a wrong turn.”

On Monday, in an open letter to Obama, Veteran of Foreign Wars Commander-in-Chief William Thien wrote that the charges against Tahmooressi "appear to be a desperate attempt by a failing nation-state to project strength against the United States." You don't insult an ally, especially when you are asking it for a favor.

This situation requires diplomacy, and diplomacy requires restraint. No country wants to be told how to administer justice, or bullied into ignoring its own laws.

Those who try to link this hapless Marine’s situation to the release of Bergdahl are not doing Tahmooressi any favors. He's been incarcerated for just over two months. They should stop comparing him to a soldier who spent five years in captivity.

The louder they yell, the more they imply that Mexican laws are expendable (or should be overlooked just this once), the longer it’s going to take to get Tahmooressi home.

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-marine-jailed-in-mexico-20140605-column.html

 

Taking a wrong turn and being confused as to where one can turn around is now a crime?

 

Right. Stop using other people's comments to justify your own insults.

Yeah...far be it from you to engage in partisan battles roll.

Your picture, or pictures, would not open but it matters not. My understanding is that once someone get's on the wrong road turning back is not possible. Again, you would have people to believe that this Marine blatantly broke Mexican law for the fun of it.

 

That seems an inaccurate caricature of my position.

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Well, apparently so when one is taking a "wrong turn" into a foreign country that does not allow foreigners to be in possession of guns.

 

It's what one is left to believe when
you leave the impression that Andrew Tahmooressi chose to enter Mexico purposely.

 

If you say so. Whilst I appreciate the need to blame all things on Obama and hence exonerate oneself from accepting any responsibility ofr one's errors, it seems fairly stupid to blame Obama for not trying to retrieve some dumb ass who was incapable of recognizing an international border when there are signs to prevalently placed.

 

Sure. It was a serious question, though, for the record.

I pointed it out because you sound like a political correspondent from MSNBC; your views are completely in-line with theirs. It's pretty scary, actually.

 

Okay.

10char

 

Hmm. That's an interesting point of view. So are the millions of illegal immigrants who cross the border also "dumb asses"?

 

I don't know. Did they accidentally go through one of the busiest land barred crossings in the world that is clearly (*)(*)(*)(*)ing marked, whilst carrying guns, and then whine like wounded kittens about how awful it was that they were stuck in a foreign jail due to their stupidity?

or is it safe to say that your comparison was nonsensical nonsense?

 

Right wingers are coming off as entitied ninnies in here. This guy was not on duty. His job has no relevance.

 

You could say the same of the president when he
freed five of the worst people in Afghanistan so as to spare Boe Bergdahl from his own tremendously stupid and irresponsible decision to walk away from the American base he was attached to.

Yet I see no leftists advocating simply walking away from Bergdahl...quite the opposite. Why does the left condemn Tahmooressi and cheer that Obama will apparently not go to bat for him when all the rationale for saving Bergdahl from himself should apply to Andrew Tahmooressi as well?

This is rank hypocrisy on an epic scale The question is, why would you defend it?

 

Oh look all the condescending lefties are starting to communicate on the thread.YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE .

 

"Right wingers are coming off as entitled..."

LOL. I'm going to give you a chance to retract or rephrase that statement.

Can't believe a liberal like you is saying that. Unbelievable.

 

Hey mom! They're talking about me on FOX!

BENGHAZI!

 

Not as clueless as one may think... In one you and I agree, though - Obama is absolutely powerless and hopeless facing powerful Mexican muchachos.

 

Why is that interesting?

Actually its a "he".

And we understand some on the far left can't understand why its important to mention someone who served 2 tours in Afganistan and is suffering from PTSD. For them he's just another baby killer but not everyone thinks this way.

Its quite clear you haven't read the article.

Just days ago, four Mexican police mistakenly entered the United States - yes, a mistake, just like Sergeant Tahmooressi mistakenly entered Mexico. And the four Mexican police were arrested by the United States. Just like Sergeant Tahmooressi, arrested, but by Mexico and like Sergeant Tahmooressi, the Mexicans mistakenly came into our country with their weapons. Legal in their home country, just like Sergeant Tahmooressi has weapons legal in the United States. But what happened next is the big difference. And what really stinks.

Considering this border is wide open and we have been very courteous when they have come over to US soil armed and we have released them in 2 days why are you excusing the fact they have not shown our Marine the same curtsey?

And why are you excusing the inaction of Obama?

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Its quite clear you haven't read the article.

Just days ago, four Mexican police mistakenly entered the United States - yes, a mistake, just like Sergeant Tahmooressi mistakenly entered Mexico. And the four Mexican police were arrested by the United States. Just like Sergeant Tahmooressi, arrested, but by Mexico and like Sergeant Tahmooressi, the Mexicans mistakenly came into our country with their weapons. Legal in their home country, just like Sergeant Tahmooressi has weapons legal in the United States. But what happened next is the big difference. And what really stinks.

Considering this border is wide open and we have been very courteous when they have come over to US soil armed and we have released them in 2 days why are you excusing the fact they have not shown our Marine the same curtsey?

And why are you excusing the inaction of Obama?

 

and now we're getting the intellectual lefties!