Obamacare Is Succeeding!

What its money youre against now ? Ok add it to the list of things you dont like..Politics and money now.

 

Why is your question, STUPID?

Enough.

You're on 'ignore'.

 

That would lead to people with the financial means able to acquire better quality healthcare than those on Medicaid. An inequality the left cant tolerate. They must lessen the quality of healthcare for the more affluent in order to equalize outcomes.​

 

No, I'm planning on staying in my house instead of losing it to a catastrophic illness my insurance never would have paid for but now does.

 

Add the cowardly white sheet over your head to the things we don't like.

 

Medicaid is the brainchild of the left, and it should be used for any poor person who can't afford any other medical care.

 

That is truly heartwarming.

 

the right wing?


not a single republican in the house or senate voted for the ACA.. they would have needed just as many GOP votes to pass a single payer plan, the only people the democrats had to compromise to were the insurance companies themselves, who they met with several times before establishing and voting on the ACA

I don't like the republicans either, but how long are we going to be penning our corporatist policies to one party? and Obamacare is in fact a corporatist policy, it's in fact the only national health plan in the world that mandates people to buy health insurance, without taking the profit out of said coverage. Nations like Switzerland and Netherlands have an insurance mandate too, but under law the companies do not make a profit off of the standard coverage that is mandated.. only the supplemental plans

don't be an enabler of corporatism

 

Uh, DUUUUHHH. They legally have to or be fined.

Quote me the actual economic benefits and then we'll see.

 

I like how this thread regarding a supposed factual statement was filed under "political opinions & beliefs."

 

Let all not forget that obamascam caused 5.9 million individual policies to be cancelled. Those are called individual policies instead of employer policies. But they cover about 3 people each. So 18,000,000 PEOPLE lost coverage as a direct result of the obamascam insanity.

Now using obobo's number which are, without a doubt, highly inflated..

New MEDICAID coverage, 4,480,818 PEOPLE. This represent a pure COST to taxpayers and does not contribute one cent to supporting obomascam. Not different than if we bought a few more billions of dollars worth of bullets.

That leaves 5,519,445. people taking out insurance. Not NEW insurance since 18 million lost their cover5age due to obamascam.

And the WSJ surveyed insurers and found only 11% of those were newly insured. 607,138. And only 24% of those were in the essential 18-34 very healthy, premiums in, noclaims out group. 145,713 youngsters to support the new MASSIVE costs of obamascam,.

The only "good news" is that of the 18,000,000 forced out of coverage by the stupidity of obamascam. 4,912,306 of the 18,000,000 have been able to replace their coverage with more expensive obamascam policies with additional coverage that they don't need or like.

 

Not only did the ACA pass with only Democrats voting for it. A number of Democrats had to be bribed and threatened by obobo and other Democrats to get them to vote for it. And most of those RETIRED after voting for the ACA as the DNC was obviously purging Blue Dog [moderate] Democrats out of office.
The DNC demands all Democrats now be redical far left liars. Moderate Democrats are no longer welcome.

 

You mean kowtowing and caving in to the Left? I'd rather die first than sell my principles out. Compromise is selling out to the enemy.

 

No, not really.

You can be yourself... but that doesn't mean that everyone else MUST be aligned with your thinking or views. People are individuals, you know.

 

Really?

How do you explain this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


RCP Average 1/4 - 1/18, Approve -- 42.0, Disapprove 53.2 -11.2
Gallup 1/16 - 1/18 1500 A 40 52 -12
Rasmussen Reports 1/16 - 1/18 1500 LV 47 51 -4
Reuters/Ipsos 1/10 - 1/14 1245 A 40 53 -13
The Economist/YouGov 1/11 - 1/13 696 RV 42 57 -15
Quinnipiac 1/4 - 1/7 1487 RV 41 53 -12

All President Obama Job Approval Polling Data




RCP Average 12/3 - 1/13 -- 39.6 56.5 -16.9
The Economist/YouGov 1/11 - 1/13 1000 A 38 53 -15
Quinnipiac 1/4 - 1/7 1487 RV 39 58 -19
FOX News 12/14 - 12/16 1027 RV 41 55 -14
ABC News/Wash Post 12/12 - 12/15 RV 42 55 -13
Bloomberg 12/6 - 12/9 1004 A 38 58 -20
Associated Press/GfK 12/5 - 12/9 1367 A 40 59 -19
CBS News/NY Times 12/5 - 12/8 1000 A 37 58 -21
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 12/4 - 12/8 A 39 58 -19
USA Today/Pew Research 12/3 - 12/8 2001 A 42 53 -11
McClatchy/Marist 12/3 - 12/5 988 RV 40 58 -18





RCP Average 12/3 - 1/7 -- 42.4 49.2 -6.8
Quinnipiac 1/4 - 1/7 1487 RV 41 51 -10
FOX News 12/14 - 12/16 1027 RV 39 52 -13
CBS News/NY Times 12/5 - 12/8 1000 A 42 44 -2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 12/4 - 12/8 A 44 48 -4
McClatchy/Marist 12/3 - 12/5 988 RV 46 51 -5

All President Obama Job Approval - Foreign Policy Polling Data

 

Who opposed the single payer plan and the public option? Republicans. Conservatives like to complain the the Democrats don't compromise, but the ACA IS a compromise from what Progressive Liberals wanted. Anyone who complains about Obamacare should either offer up a better plan that can be accepted by a majority, or sit down and shut up! If you voted for any Republicans in the last 5 years, then you are the problem here.

 

So much pure undulterated horse crap so little time. 1st the notion of kids staying on mommy and daddys insurance until there 26 isn't in particular new. In most states it had been around for more than 50 years and in play for most of that time. And since when are 26 year olds children?

2nd any announcement of belief in any of those numbers provided by the Obama administration regarding ACA ought to be taken not with a grain of salt but a ton.

3rd even if those numbers are accurate and that aren't for reasons already detailed the fact that you are signing up medicaid and medicare enrolles twice as fast as anyhting else should be more than enough to inform you that this is going to be a disaster.

4th To date the Obama Crowd refuses to tell you how man of those sign ups have made their first payment. Put simply if no payment has been made they don't have insurance.

So as it stands right now Obamacare (more appropriately Harry and nancy care) an the government website remain little more than a bad practical joke
with dire consequences for the American people.

 

We'll see what comes.

 

I've lived in four states, and none of them ever had that.

We'll, until you get off your (*)(*)(*) and provide us with stats of your own, I guess you'll have to go fish and suck it up.

Got any proof of that?

"The Obama crowd refuses to tell". Why would they tell you?

According Ellijah Cummings the web site is up running and doing as good as ever. Where are you getting your lies from?

 

Anyone who cannot admit the truth of what you just said above, is either being ignorant or deceptive.

 

That's extremely tenuous reasoning - what other countries do doesn't mean anything.

Not everyone always agrees with you.

 

It's not tenuous; it is something we need to LEARN FROM.

And no, we don't have to do 'everything' the way those other nations did.

But the immoral system we had in place before the ACA, deserved to be reformed in any way we could manage.

I'm certain of that and welcome the same... as long as others realize it applies to them as well.

 

That doesn't change that "everyone else is doing it!" is not a good argument.

The left is going to have a very hard time passing anything to their liking (single payer, public option, etc) for a long time to come, too many people disagree.

 

And that isn't fully what I suggested; which I just reiterated.

Also, if we AREN'T paying attention to what other western nation have done with healthcare, we are missing a positive opportunity. So yes, it is my opinion that we can and LEARN from other nations. I'm sure we can re-invent what they are doing and make it even better.

But this BS SYSTEM where we strive to make a few hyper-wealthy, rather than provide healthcare, is simply insane.

The will of the American people is what STEERS policy, in the end. That is reality.

So be it.

 

Both OK and Alabama did one when I was in college and the other when My son was.

No, I don't. I am under no obligation what ever to believe proven liars whether I have stats of my own or not.

It's not me they are refusing to tell, it is congress, who has every right to ask that information, but the Obama crowd stonewalls more egregiously than Nixon at the heighth of Watergate. If there is nothing to hide why hide it?

You'd better hope it's running better than ever because as good as ever would really ,really, really suck.