I get it. Instead of having a sensible discussion on Obamacare, you are deflecting with the usual hates-immigrants-Kenya-muslim-socialist-Nazi-references. I've noticed for the left, it's not the policies that's the real issue for them; they just hate their opponents. I have to say you disappoint me. In the brief amount of time that we have engaged in discussions, I thought you aspired to be something more than the usual leftie bombthrower. You fooled me for a while, but eventually, you guys do tend to return to your default settings.
Lil Mike, The first half of my post “was” focused on our health care discussion, and yes the last half of it focused on real events that happened during the healthcare debate that (whether you want to admit it or not) had/has a lot to do with the negative impression lots of people have about the law. It was and is germain to the debate. They weren’t bombs, and video doesn’t lie. Look, I’m not an extreme anything, hence my user name “Sane Centrist” I happen to believe that George Bush wasn’t the monster a lot of lefties painted him to be, and I will always applaud him on his work on trying to do something about the AIDS epidemic in Africa. I also believe that had 9/11 never happened we all would have seen a much different presidency. President Bush was surrounded by war monger’s that got us into ridiculous wars based on misinformation, smoke & mirrors, and it’s pretty obvious he had a “shoot first, ask questions later” attitude related to foreign affairs. I also don’t condone a lot of the ugliness exhibited by the more extreme on the left during his presidency. (have I changed your perspective yet?) Sorry you feel the way you do but I’m not going to shy away from history, and that doesn’t make me one sided or disingenuous in my arguments.
Obamacare is going to implode. When everyone is asking for relief from the ACA, including Congress, then it is obvious that it is not a good thing. Insurance companies are bailing out of the exchanges. Others are raising their premiums now before the premium ceiling kicks in. The ACA will not be a good thing.
Ahh, there's the dirty secret, Obamacare is about doing what the people want. The GOP knows that if ACA is fully implemented, it will be immensely popular, like Medicare and Social Security, it will be untouchable, and the glow of it's Aura will boost the Democratic Party's appeal, as the party of the people. It will lead inexorably to "Medicare for All" single payer, which will be even more popular, and which will address the inefficiencies in the health care market, resulting in lower costs to the public, and lower profits to certain gatekeepers who are funding the crap out of GOP efforts to block the ACA.
Last I heard in Florida I there are 11 Insurance Companies working on joining the Federal Exchange its more money why would companies opt out? Even if almost half opt out that is still 6 Companies that is not bad.
For all the rightie outrage and denunciation of the ACA and the torrent of misinformation, misinterpretation and lies that surround the law, I have yet to find any of them offering any alternate solution. they don't want to talk about the fact that they will be urinating away billions for nothing. They don't want to talk about the massive amount of chaos they are prepared to cause the american people. Nope. How far can a poltical party go with nothing but negativity, denunciation and lack of empathy?
The ACA is clearly going to be a disaster for most folks. Nothing Obama promised about it, is going to materialize. The cost projections keep rising, premiums keep going up, more and more businesses are asking for relief, and even the unions that love Obama so much are getting pissed off.
Republican parents vote for Obamacare with their wallets http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...parents-vote-for-Obamacare-with-their-wallets Over the last few weeks, Republicans have been waging a very determined—and even more deceptive—campaign to scare the bejesus out of uninsured young adults so important to the success of the Affordable Care Act. But while the conservative commentariat has been issuing dire warnings about the so-called "Young Invincibles," their parents have quietly added millions of them to their family insurance plans, all thanks to Obamacare. And as it turns out, Republican parents are signing up in greater numbers than Democrats. That's the word from the Commonwealth Fund, which has just published a major analysis of the health insurance status and plans of young adults ages 18 to 35. Among the host of insurance reforms put in place by the Affordable Care Act is the requirement that parents be allowed to keep or add their adult children up to age 26 to their policies. As Sarah Kliff reported, in the three-plus years since President Obamas sign the ACA into law, millions have done just that: The Commonwealth Foundation estimates that of the 15 million young adults that have insurance coverage through a parent, 7.8 million would not have qualified without this policy. All told, 15 million young adults enrolled in or stayed on their parents' policies. That's why the percentage of uninsured among them has declined since the passage of the ACA. And despite all the right-wing demagoguery, it turns out that the biggest beneficiaries have been young Republicans: While public opinion polls have consistently shown a partisan divide in views of the health reform law, the survey finds that young adults who identified themselves as Republicans enrolled in their parents' policies in greater numbers than young adults who identified themselves as Democrats. In March 2013, 63 percent of Republican young adults had enrolled in a parent's policy in the past 12 months, compared with 45 percent of Democrats. The results aren't really that surprising. After all, GOP households generally are higher income and more likely to have a parent insured by their employer or through a self-purchased policy. So while these Republicans may be voting for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act on Election Day, they are voting for Obamacare with their wallets. The Republican love affair with Obamacare continues!
I remember not long after the bill passed, Chuck Schumer was on TV praising Obamacare and giving an example of how it helped his own family. He had his daughter covered under his Senate health plan while she finished up her law degree. He was very proud of the fact that he, as a millionaire and one of the most powerful people in the country, helped pass a law that personally benefited him, while spreading those health care costs throughout the health care system so working class people could help pick up the tab for his daughter's healthcare.
Millionaires in Israel get "free" health care that is financed by American taxpayers including the good Senator. I bet you don't have much of a problem with that.
They would likely get more traction if they had a repeal bill with a decent replacement for the ACA that would cover those who for now getting coverage would be hard if not impossible without government help the destitute and working poor. They have nothing on the table though so why would a repeal be good?
Okay I looked up the proposal now compare that to the ACA. Medicaid expansion up to 138% of the Federal Poverty line and subsidized Federal Exchanges may I ask could I get a Silver Plan level coverage for $240 a year or Bronze Plan level coverage for $0 a year? And what about out of pocket subsidies and other benefits. I'm talking the poor here a tax deduction won't help someone making say $12,000 a year as a single person or a poor family earning just over the poverty line. And working poor would not be much better if say at twice the poverty line. I'm talking a replacement if should offer somewhat similar benefits or its not a good replacement.
I've only discussed this about a dozen times on this forum previously - the USA's financial CARE packages to Israel make up about 1/3 of that country's GDP. Without it, Israel would have gone bankrupt decades ago. You figure out the rest.
You didn't believe they had a replacement bill, I showed you that they did, and now you're complaining that it isn't identical to Obamacare? Sheesh! - - - Updated - - - GDP isn't the Israeli health budget. Are we directly funding that? That's what I asked, not if we sent a lot of foreign aid to Israel, I already knew that.
Lets see if the plan has NO CHANCE of covering the poor with health coverage its not a replacement bill is it?
Simple in order to provide health care that matters the person must be able to gain access (premiums or some government plan like Medicaid), the access must be affordable to use (costs to use it make sense) and it must cover enough medical issues well enough to matter. The proposed bill does none of this and Obamacare does with the Medicaid Expansion and Exchanges with employer mandates for access on that end which I agree are a dubious benefit at the employer side. So if your going to repeal and replace will the replacement be as good or better for the poor than Obamacare?
So the standard is, in order to replace Obamacare, you have to provide something identical to it? Basically to accomplish your goals we could just dump everything about Obamacare and leave the Medicaid expansion. But to be frank, I don't think most Republicans really care about your conditions. I know I don't. You didn't believe they had a replacement bill, I showed you that they did, and surprise surprise, you don't like the Republican bill. Somehow I can live with that.
Actually I have a replacement and it would cost the government little, be built on existing law and require little in paperwork either the patient can pay or not one sheet could do that or swiping a medical card. 1. Expand requirement to treat to non-life threatening but major life impairing conditions to ALL medical providers in all fields not just Hospital ER's. 2. Make asking for payment up front illegal after medical care is given the first time they can fill out the paperwork and the Medical Provider can collect if they can and if not pass the added costs to other patients that can. 3. Treatment must be completed for a medical condition once started. 4. Medical providers can get from government funds taking all the various funds a stipend for uncompensated care from the pot. 5. Failure to do so would be a Federal Felony subject to big fines, up to five years in prison and permanent loss of your license with repeated offenses. There that would solve the issue nicely and be a solution using an existing mechanism and we can include dental care, psychological treatment and the like.
More propaganda on the part time employment issue: The 8.2 million is actually less than the 9.1 million part-timers seeking full-time work in March 2010, the month the Affordable Care Act was signed into law. BLS figures show that this category of workers skyrocketed in 2008, from 4.8 million in January of that year to 8 million in December. (The nation was officially in a recession from December 2007 to June 2009.)
