Of the arguments brought up in the Colorado case, there is one I like...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Feb 8, 2024.

  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2018
    Messages:
    20,939
    Likes Received:
    15,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You can't have electors who only have one choice.
    Thats why they would put in front of a judge.
    States that don't abide by federal election laws don't get to participate in federal elections.
    Pretty simple.
     
  2. fullmetaljack

    fullmetaljack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2017
    Messages:
    8,378
    Likes Received:
    7,129
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Really ? Well, I’m sure the state could find a third party candidate to put on the ballot. Problem solved .

    And then there is the write in vote.

    I’m sure the letter of the law would be compliant.
     
  3. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2018
    Messages:
    20,939
    Likes Received:
    15,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nope, you start removing candidates from federal ballots and your electors will be voted out when the vote is called in DC.
    Not following federal guidelines will eliminate that states right to have their electors counted.
     
  4. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    7,733
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The standard for the 14th amendments 3rd clause being triggered is what's at issue. It very much does matter whether or not an insurrection or its aiding and abetting occurred because that is what is cited in the clause as a necessary precondition.

    It has been adjudicated there was by a court outside of its jurisdiction (state court ruling on federal issue) IE its like me declaring myself the King of Siam.
     
  5. fullmetaljack

    fullmetaljack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2017
    Messages:
    8,378
    Likes Received:
    7,129
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You would have to establish a Constitutional violation not a "guideline" violation. And that would first have to be adjudicated at the state level before the election.
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,429
    Likes Received:
    19,166
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes. Amending it is the proper way to repeal it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2024
  7. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2018
    Messages:
    20,939
    Likes Received:
    15,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You don't need to establish anything other than their failure to follow federal voting laws.
    Too funny
     
  8. conservaliberal

    conservaliberal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2010
    Messages:
    2,267
    Likes Received:
    940
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well, there certainly isn't enough time to "repeal" any Constitutional amendments now, so, given the validity of the 14th Amendment (as you have accurately pointed out) then it should stand that, in the sovereign State of Colorado, Donald Trump is forbidden to appear on any ballot -- period! And, that should also be true for any other sovereign state that declares Donald Trump participated in an "insurrection", and thus is henceforth and forever more ineligible for public office in the United States!

    I'm breathless! I think we may have actually AGREED on something for a change! :eekeyes: :handshake:

    [​IMG]. "Now WAIT just a damned minute...!" :juggle:
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,429
    Likes Received:
    19,166
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The question of whether or not it was an insurrection was barely brought up, the court will NOT rule about that, and that was NOT the question brought before them.

    They won't rule on whether January 6 was or wasn't an insurrection. I mean... you never know for sure with all these activist justices eager to legislate from the bench.... But I doubt it.

    THIS thread is about one particular argument that would appear might be backed by the independent justices. And a ruling requiring that this be an insurrection or not is not necessary.
     
  10. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    7,733
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you read the text of the 14th amendment, its very much necessary.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,429
    Likes Received:
    19,166
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then you will be unpleasantly surprised if the final ruling doesn't consider it necessary.
     
  12. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,525
    Likes Received:
    52,093
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You lost 9-0

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2020
    Messages:
    20,751
    Likes Received:
    7,637
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So all a criminal has to do is join an election and they get away with it.
     
  14. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,429
    Likes Received:
    19,166
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No I didn't! As usual, you don't read.... I'm curious, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
     
  15. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,525
    Likes Received:
    52,093
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'll leave you to your fantasies that the Court wasn't 9-0 that Colorado had no just authity to remove Trump as a ballot choice for voters.

    If these folks on the Left spent as much time trying to serve the American People as they do trying to rig ballots, they wouldn't' be trailing on so many metrics.

    upload_2024-3-18_8-17-56.png
     
  16. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,429
    Likes Received:
    19,166
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When did I EVER say that it would be any different?

    This is why I have you on the list of posters I rarely respond to. You respond to posts you don't READ. Or, worse yet, maybe you read them but don't understand them.

    You're even one of the uninformed posters who STILL thinks it was Democrats who were trying to remove Trump. It wasn't!
     
  17. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,525
    Likes Received:
    52,093
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And yet, here you are.
    It wasn't "Gorsuch's decision" it was 9-0 the Supreme Court's decision.

    States have never had the power to add to the constitutional requirements for federal office.
     

Share This Page