Off the Chart Universal and Multiversal Models.

This entire monstrosity of a "theory" belongs on the religion forum.

 

I appreciate your insight.

 

Credit how? Discussion and education shouldn't be limited to those who don't need it. Quantum physics is full of infinities that cancel. Quarks being spread across multiple universes isn't that much worse an explanation than any other. That being said, I'm not sure quarks being _shared_ between universes isn't necessarily the right way to think about it either.

 

I am not talking about the 3 specific Quarks that along with their Gluons comprise Nucleons which as such Hadrons as Protons...(uud) Quarks and Neutrons (ddu) Quarks.

What I am talking about is the Virtual Quark-Antiqaurk Pairings as well as what a recent discovery is calling GHOST QUARKS....and they may have changed the name of this by now as I have not kept up with it.

Now all Quantum Particle/Wave Forms which exist as both Particle and Wave exist having two separate forms of Vibratory States or Excitation States as either part as an Atom.....and as well by themselves such as a Photon.

As well they have different Spin States.



Now most people and I would assume YOU are not one of these people have no idea that Heat is simply the Vibrational State or Excitation State of Matter as this is caused in a few ways.

One way being that when a person rubs their hands together they get warm....and warmth is Heat and what caused the persons hands to get warm...was the friction of rubbing them together of course...(Please understand I know you are aware of such things but I am detailing this out so everyone will understand what I am trying to say).....but what most people do not know is that when a person rubs their hands together it is a FACT that the Matter the exists and comprises and makes up one hand and the Matter that comprises a persons other hand they rub together NEVER ACTUALLY TOUCH EACH OTHER!!!

The reason for this being is that the Electron Orbital Fields surrounding the Atomic Nucleus's of the Atom's that make up a persons two hands both having a negative charge repel each other and thus....what happens is as the Electron Orbital Fields existing in the Atoms of one hand repel the Electron Orbital Fields existing in the Atoms of the persons other hand thus they never physical touch....BUT.....as the Electron Fields orbiting the Atom's nucleus's repel the other Electron Orbital Fields this causes the movement of the Atom's Nucleus which is comprised of the Hadrons such as Protons, Neutrons and Pions.

Now as I stated there are two forms of Vibration existing as one being the Vibratory State of the Atom which is basic Heat....then there is a Quantum Vibratory Signature which is SPECIFIC TO OUR SPECIFIC UNIVERSE ONLY!!!

Now individual Quantum Particle Wave Forms have a variety of movement and spin such as Photons that have Spin Angular Momentum even though they have Zero Mass....and other Quanta have their specific traits which we have found we can manipulate to create actions like the Fountaining achieved in a Bose-Einstein Condensate which has a history of many teams trying to achieve this by bringing a number of different elements down in Temp. very close to Absolute Zero by using Lasers to lower the temps. of the Elements and this lowering of Temp. almost to Absolute Zero which is a Temperature at which absolutely NO MOVEMENT OF ANY KIND OF ANY PARTICLE OR PARTICLE/WAVE FORM!!! Forgive me for the CAP'S.

On June 5, 1995, the first gaseous condensate was produced by Eric Cornell and Carl Wieman at the University of Colorado at Boulder NIST–JILA lab, in a gas of rubidium atoms cooled to 170 nanokelvin (nK).[5] Shortly thereafter, Wolfgang Ketterle at MIT demonstrated important BEC properties. For their achievements Cornell, Wieman, and Ketterle received the 2001 Nobel Prize in Physics.

LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose–Einstein_condensate

And this is the part I would like you and others to consider from this LINK.

In 1999, Danish physicist Lene Hau led a team from Harvard University which slowed a beam of light to about 17 meters per second using a superfluid.[30] Hau and her associates have since made a group of condensate atoms recoil from a light pulse such that they recorded the light's phase and amplitude, recovered by a second nearby condensate, in what they term "slow-light-mediated atomic matter-wave amplification" using Bose–Einstein condensates: details are discussed in Nature.[31]

They were able to slow down a beam of LIGHT which is comprised of Photons of course at a specific frequency to approx.17 Meters per second which is in line with the concept that at Absolute Zero there exists no movement of any kind by matter or energy.

Bose–Einstein condensates had been obtained for a multitude of isotopes, mainly of alkaline, alkaline earth, and lanthanoid atoms (7Li, 23Na, 39K, 41K, 85Rb, 87Rb, 133Cs, 52Cr, 40Ca, 84Sr, 86Sr, 88Sr, 174Yb, 164Dy, and 168Er )

At such super low very close to Absolute Zero Temps. these Alkaline Gases that we can create Bose-Einstein Condensates have their Bosons behaving BIZARRELY as the Atom's such Bosons are a part of only have a Half-Integer total spin of the Electron Orbital Field or Shell and Half-Integer total spin of the Nucleus are COUPLED by a very weak HYPER-FINE interaction....and I will post the meaning of this.....and this..."COUPLING"....causes the Atom's spin to have an Integer lower value.

A Hyper-Fine Structure in atomic physics, hyperfine structure is the different effects leading to small shifts and splittings in the energy levels of atoms, molecules and ions. The name is a reference to the fine structure which results from the interaction between the magnetic moments associated with electron spin and the electrons' orbital angular momentum. Hyperfine structure, with energy shifts typically orders of magnitude smaller than those of fine structure, results from the interactions of the nucleus (or nuclei, in molecules) with internally generated electric and magnetic fields.

In atoms, hyperfine structure occurs due to the energy of the nuclear magnetic dipole moment in the magnetic field generated by the electrons, and the energy of the nuclear electric quadrupole moment in the electric field gradient due to the distribution of charge within the atom. Molecular hyperfine structure is generally dominated by these two effects, but also includes the energy associated with the interaction between the magnetic moments associated with different magnetic nuclei in a molecule, as well as between the nuclear magnetic moments and the magnetic field generated by the rotation of the molecule.

ANYWAYS.....after posting all of that I will get to my POINT.

As you know all Matter and Energy and all Quanta comprising them and even Light as Photons which have Zero Mass when coming into contact with anything that is close to Absolute Zero will SLOW DOWN in it's Motion whether such motion is it's Spin, Angular Spin Momentum, Orbital Angular Spin, Vibratory State...etc.

Even LIGHT which travels in a vacuum at 186,282 miles per second will slow down when photons reflect off a close to Absolute Zero substance such as a Bose-Einstein Condensate.

And it is very much the same thing in Laymen's Terms as taking an Ant and putting it in an Ice Cube Tray with water and as the Ant is at first warm it moves it's legs and body rapidly but as it is cooled it moves slower and slower until the water freezes and the ant does at well and it moves no more....fortunately for the Ant a person can melt the Ice Cube and the Ant will be OK and very much alive.

Anyways.....A Bose–Einstein condensate (BEC) is a state of matter of a dilute gas of bosons cooled to temperatures very close to absolute zero (that is, very near 0 K or −273.15 °C). Under such conditions, a large fraction of bosons occupy the lowest quantum state, at which point macroscopic quantum phenomena become apparent.

The concept of a Bose gas, governed by Bose–Einstein statistics, which describes the statistical distribution of identical particles with integer spin, now called bosons. Bosons, which include the photon as well as atoms such as helium-4 (4He), are allowed to share a quantum state. Einstein proposed that cooling bosonic atoms to a very low temperature would cause them to fall (or "condense") into the lowest accessible quantum state, resulting in a new form of matter.

I have posted all this for a REASON.


Please READ the following.

In 2000 by the JILA team, of Cornell, Wieman and coworkers. Their instrumentation now had better control so they used naturally attracting atoms of rubidium-85 (having negative atom–atom scattering length). Through Feshbach resonance involving a sweep of the magnetic field causing spin flip collisions, they lowered the characteristic, discrete energies at which rubidium bonds, making their Rb-85 atoms repulsive and creating a stable condensate. The reversible flip from attraction to repulsion stems from quantum interference among wave-like condensate atoms.

When the JILA team raised the magnetic field strength further, the condensate suddenly reverted to attraction, imploded and shrank beyond detection, then exploded, expelling about two-thirds of its 10,000 atoms. About half of the atoms in the condensate seemed to have disappeared from the experiment altogether, not seen in the cold remnant or expanding gas cloud.[17] Carl Wieman explained that under current atomic theory this characteristic of Bose–Einstein condensate could not be explained because the energy state of an atom near absolute zero should not be enough to cause an implosion; however, subsequent mean field theories have been proposed to explain it. Most likely they formed molecules of two rubidium atoms,[24] energy gained by this bond imparts velocity sufficient to leave the trap without being detected.

The 1/2 of the Rb-85 Atoms DID leave the trap.

But they did NOT leave it the way most think they left.

It is a fact of our Universal Space-Time Reality that you can't have CAUSE AND EFFECT or CAUSALITY without MOVEMENT.

And it is also a fact of our Universal Space-Time Reality that HEAT is simply the level of Particle Excitation or Vibration of an Atom or Particle or Particle/Wave Form as it interacts with with the Particles and Particle/Wave Forms comprising other Atoms.

If you lower the state of Excitation as well as lower the SPIN State of Atoms or Quanta....and continue to lower them and if it is possible to achieve complete and total lack of motion of any kind by lowering the Temperature for even the smallest amount of time and to even just a tiny when looking at the overall picture number of Atoms...lowering the Temperature for a Nano-Second to ABSOLUTE ZERO.....what do YOU think the results would be for any Atoms that reach this lowest possible Temperature???

If you answer this I will ASAP then answer your question about Quark Numerics.

Thank You,

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah....I am aware of the OPERA debacle.

But there is a new experiment called KATRIN.

I am just going to cut and paste this to save time.

Ehrlich's new claim of faster-than-light neutrinos is based on a much more sensitive method than measuring their speed, namely by finding their mass. The result relies on tachyons having an imaginary mass, or a negative mass squared. Imaginary mass particles have the weird property that they speed up as they lose energy – the value of their imaginary mass being defined by the rate at which this occurs. According to Ehrlich, the magnitude of the neutrino's imaginary mass is 0.33 electronvolts, or 2/3 of a millionth that of an electron. He deduces this value by showing that six different observations from cosmic rays, cosmology, and particle physics all yield this same value within their margin of error. One observation, for example, involves the tiny variations in cosmic background radiation left over from the big bang, while another involves the shape of the cosmic ray spectrum.
Skeptics of tachyons often cite conflicts with relativity theory. In fact, the idea of faster-than light tachyons was first suggested in a 1962 article by George Sudarshan and colleagues Bilaniuk and Deshpande as a kind of loophole in relativity. Einstein had shown that it is impossible for particles (or space ships) to be accelerated up to or beyond the speed of light because of the infinite energy required. Sudarshan and his colleagues suggested, however, that if particles were created initially with faster-than-light speed in particle collisions no acceleration or infinite energy would be necessary – something not possible for space ships unfortunately!


LINK...http://phys.org/news/2014-12-faster-than-light-particles.html


They are saying they will know with certainty by the end of this year of 2015....whatever their idea of certainty is.

LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

You again?

You know if you put 1/10th the amount of time you spend concentrating upon being a disruptive force on this forum and instead spend that 1/10th of that time into reading and learning and perhaps having a CIVIL DISCUSSION with other members here you might actually learn something and you might even ENJOY IT as well.

How many times is this now?

If you have any issue with what I post then simply post an alternative theory or post a LINK TO A SOURCE that would prove me wrong and if you do the second I will be more than happy to say I made a mistake and even THANK YOU for alerting me to my error as I would hate to continue posting incorrect data and who be glad someone made me aware of this.

But even though I have said this or something similar to this to you before....you instead act like a 3 year old and cry, whine and complain about what I post.

So either prove me wrong with a viable sourced LINK....or present your own theory.

But give us all a BREAK!!! No one enjoys reading a person cry and carry on about what another members posts especially when the complainer can't provide any alternatives to such theories or provide proof otherwise!!

AboveAlpha

 

This member is not interested in anything other than complaining and making claims that I and other's are wrong.

He NEVER provides any viable linked sources to provide evidence that would prove my and other members statements to be wrong nor does he enter into the discussion in any other way other than to be disruptive.

AboveAlpha

 

I have no interest in discussing members on either side of this disagreement.

 

Anyways.....If you lower the state of Excitation as well as lower the SPIN State of Atoms or Quanta....and continue to lower them and if it is possible to achieve complete and total lack of motion of any kind by lowering the Temperature for even the smallest amount of time and to even just a tiny when looking at the overall picture number of Atoms...lowering the Temperature for a Nano-Second to ABSOLUTE ZERO.....what do YOU think the results would be for any Atoms that reach this lowest possible Temperature???

AboveAlpha

 

This is fine and all, but doesn't yet constitute an indication that this is actually the case. All measurements so far have been unable to resolve the neutrino mass, so it's as consistent with 0.33 eV as much as with many other numbers.

Who's saying this about certainty?

 

Your grandiose speculation can not be proven wrong. Hence it is not falsifiable, and therefore outside the realm of science. Your implications that you are a physicist about to have this theory published are as insulting to my intelligence as your assertions that my thoughts on abortion were an attempt to "use" mwi to PROVE a point about abortion. And this is your problem: the word "proof". You claimed that a functional quantum computer is proof of the multiverse, and fail to see why such a claim is absurd. Then you explicitly invited me to this thread, the op of which laughably declares a need for proficiency in advanced calculus to participate even though the pages and pages of prose you have posted here do not even require knowledge of arithmetic to understand, and now complain that I am here calling you out on it.

For example, take your recent reply to Swensson where you declare that most people don't understand that heat is simply the excitation of matter. I don't know what type of company you keep, but any high school graduate ought to know that. Later in that post, in all caps, you give what you seem to think is some vast revelation that matter never actually touches other matter. But I learned about the structure of the atom IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, and anyone who understands the basic structure should see that the electromagnetic repulsion between electrons on the outer valence would prevent the actual contact we may have assumed in elementary school. But these seem to be massive revelations to you. The definition of heat is DAY ONE thermodynamics. DAY ONE AND YOU CLAIM TO HAVE INVENTED NEW CALCULUS SYMBOLS WHILE WORKING ON A SOON TO BE PUBLISHED PROOF OF THE MULTIVERSE. Ridiculous.

All of this would have been fine. You can dream about your absurd theories all you want and believe whatever makes sense to you. No problem. But when you explicitly insult my intellect, when I actually sat through college science courses, putting serious effort into studying these subjects, spent my time practicing calculus problems to develop my understanding of integration techniques, you can expect that I am going to call you out on your BS.

So go ahead and post a 1000 word post where you meander around various sophomoric definitions of science words you don't really comprehend, building to the big finale where in all caps, you declare something that everyone already knows even though you seem to think it is privileged information only you and a few others possess, like how the earth revolves around the sun or something. NOW YOU MAY NOT BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THIS BUT THE SUN IS A STAR AND THE EARTH REVOLVES AROUND IT. What a freaking joke. Keep dreaming, ALF.

 

DAY TWO THERMODYNAMICS

Absolute zero would imply that nothing is there. Nothing is an impossible state.

 

I have both Satellite and Cable TV and my buddy owns the Satellite Company so I get everything available including all sorts of Live Feed Satellite Channels that have all sorts of Scientific Experiments going on and there are Channels dedicated to various ongoing studies at Universities and NASA projects and CERN...etc...etc.

I was watching one of these channels early this year and they were discussing Ehrlich's claims about Neutrinos being FTL and they were talking about his claims I think he made in 2014 not the one's he first made and this is when I first learned about KATRIN.

At this point I had a neighbor come over and the last thing I herd being discussed was that either Ehrlich or maybe it was Henderson had claimed that KATRIN would resolve this issue once and for all.

Personally I believe that Neutrinos are not actually FTL but are instead just exhibiting Quantum Superpositioning in a slightly different manner than an Electron will.

But who knows.

AboveAlpha

 

I cut out a lot of text here. I would recommend that you figure out what points you're trying to make and which points you have to make in order to support that. It's 1 in the morning here, and I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of the text doesn't actually add anything to the argument.

In what sense? An atom that reaches the lowest possible temperature will reach its lowest possible temperature. I have no particular reason that it would act any differently than a slightly warmer atom, bar its temperature (and some fairly mundane effects thereof).

The heat excitation of atoms isn't strictly the same as pure movement, but it shares some important characteristics. For instance, it should be consistent with relativity (which really only states that physics shouldn't really care about what a noninvasive observer might be doing), and as such, an atom at absolute zero should still act like a slightly hotter particle, as viewed in another reference frame. There are many interesting considerations in terms of applications, pureness of measurements and so on, but I find it hard to believe that it will tell us anything fundamental about cause and effect.

That being said, low energy physics is not my field of study, I may be wrong.

 

Yeh, whenever there is an anomaly, lots of theorists always conjure up their own wild ideas for how to explain the anomaly. When the anomaly then goes away, some of these live on. There is nothing inherently bad with that, but there are so many of them that it's not really remarkable until it's coming up with some results.

We know the standard model of particle physics is just an approximation (albeit a very good one) and neutrinos are one of the areas where it breaks, so even without the crackpot theories, KATRIN will be followed with some interest.

 

I never claimed to have invented new Calculus symbols....although new symbols have been developed in order to expand the mathematics that is Calculus in order to take into account upon a very limited basis what would be MULTIVERSAL THEORY MODELS as the Many Worlds Theory Model is too limited to account for Quantum Mechanics.

And this is not the only mathematics that has evolved to specifically allow Multiversal Calculations as Algebra has as well evolved as we use Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Equations.

Here is a LINK....http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mpf23/papers/Algebra/mpat.pdf

The LINK is to a Cambridge University Website as such Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Equations are necessary not only for the purpose of setting up the Calculus but as well to work the math specific to Quantum Processors as such computation and the Computers existing using Quibit's instead of Bit by their very nature must work with all alternate existing versions of themselves in Divergent Universal States of Reality.

If I were you I would relax and have a drink because you really seem to have issues.

AboveAlpha

 

I will tell you what....if KATRIN can actually PROVE with 100% Certainty...and I am not saying it will...but if it did prove Neutrinos are actually Tachyons....and that Arnold Sommerfeld was right....there are going to be a LOT of people out their eating their HATS!!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I believe that when they lost those Atom's that they might have achieved producing a Nano-Second long state of ABSOLUTE ZERO and that when some of those Atoms reached that Temp. they literally ceased to exist in this Universal Reality.

Continued....

AboveAlpha

 

I went and posted all that not just for you but for Dennis and Wgabrie who might not have known about the specifics involved with the Bose-Einstein Condensate so you will have to forgive my lengthy post as I wanted to detail out what I was talking about.

In my opinion I believe those Atoms lost did in fact cease to exist in our particular Divergent Universal State of Reality but that they still exist in all others within our Baseline Reality Universal Grouping.

What I theorize is that all Matter and Energy which of course is completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy is in essence sharing all Quanta with Matter and Energy existing in all existing Alternate Divergent Universal States of Reality within a Multiversal System.

In such a system our Universe is but one of an infinite number just as Many Worlds Models detail and the Quantum Particle/Wave Forms existing and comprising Matter and Energy in this Universe also exist within all other Universes that have the same Baseline Reality as our own as this would explain how a Photon exists as a Particle and a Wave as existing as a Particle it VIRTUALLY exists at every single possible existing point along it's Wave Form as well as Wave Packet.

Thus at any given moment of Observation causing Wave Function Collapse thus locking in Function and Value...it exists specific to this Universe and this Universe only....but if not it exists as a part of all Universal Realities within our Baseline Reality Universal Grouping.

There are within a Multiversal Theory Model unlike Many Worlds....also infinite numbers of Baseline Reality Universal Groupings each one with natural physical laws completely different and alien in nature to our own Baseline Reality Universal Grouping which would be Many Worlds.

Thus in Multiversal Models there are infinite numbers of Many Worlds or infinite numbers of Baseline Reality Universal Groupings each having an infinite number of Divergent Universes within a Grouping.

I believe it is the Quarks that are specific to Probability of Causality.

The other Quanta also have infinite duplicates exist in all Divergent Universal States and they as well exist in our Universe VIRTUALLY thus allowing such Quanta to exist as both Particle and Wave.

At least that is the way I see it.

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha, I just finished a book this morning that I know that I know that you are going to want to read.

There will not be much of anything in it new to you but....... Steven D. Kelley verifies many of your assertions that much of the scientific community at this time are not inclined to accept.

http://www.politicalforum.com/conspiracy-theories/425801-great-book-explain-ufo-cia-connection.html

A great book to explain UFO - CIA connection?

 

OK...thanks I will check it out.

AboveAlpha

 

My issue is that you came into my thread, insulted my intellect because I stated my belief that Many Worlds is nonsense, attempted to equivocate the decades old, CONCEPTUAL many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics with modern multiverse speculation derived from high energy physics, purposely misconstrued the simple explicitly philosophical point I was trying to make, and then invited me to come to this thread if I wanted to argue about multiverse. I can't say how many times this makes as I don't recall having any issues with you until you chose that course of action in my thread. I would have just laughed off this thread under normal circumstances. It's cute, and a fun game to play to imagine such things. But since you insulted me without provocation and invited me here, things didn't go that way.

Perhaps in an alternate universe, you avoided my abortion thread altogether, realizing that it explicitly had nothing to do with science, but was merely a philosophical notion that something valuable may be destroyed when a pregnancy is terminated and was of no interest to you. Chances are I would have left this thread alone in that universe, since a recap of science channel's primetime lineup surrounded by pages and pages of rhetorical fluff is of no interest to me. But, very frankly, Alf, this is the ONLY universe we know about. This is the ONLY one that is proven to exist. And it is THIS universe, and the choices you make in it that you and everyone else have to deal with now, whether you like it or not.

 

I would not have even gone to your thread if you had not purposely included the words MANY WORLDS THEORY or close to that in a topic that was about ABORTION.

After going to your created thread and finding out you had only used the words MANY WORLDS THEORY to purposely generate interest so that other people who would not normally go to it would be tricked into doing so...well you saw what I thought of you doing such a disingenuous act upon this forum.

You created your own issues.

AboveAlpha

 

That thread title asked a question. This is something you should try. Ask questions instead of asserting your beliefs as proven like a common religious person.

 

Sure, people eat their hats all the time in that context. However, they are still dwarfed by the amount of theories and suppositions that are disproven (or whose premises become nonsensical). Therefore, the scientific community has long ago stopped obsessing with whether or not something is true, in favour of whether or not we have reason to believe it's true.

If the scientific community praised people who turned out to have been right before experiments confirmed their ideas, then we'd be praising all kinds of crazy people who make stuff up for no reason and who by sheer luck happened to be right. While that makes very nice news stories and popular science articles, it's a completely unreliable way to actually determine the order of the universe.