Official: Ben Carson Now Gop Front Runner

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  1. Zorro

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    Renewals are going on right now, and this is the third straight year of serous premium hikes and much higher deductibles under Obamacare. The penalties for not signing up are also ramping up sharply. Next year's election will be occurring right after the October enrollment period for 2017 and all indications are it will be another round big big hikes. The Dem nominee will have some interesting decisions on how they plan to approach that, I doubt it will be with courage.
     
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    I would like to believe in your pipe dream but I am too realistic.
     
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    If either is the nominee, I will likely support them. I will never support Hillary or Sanders. Hillary is simply a mean rotten dishonest hateful person and Sanders is a socialist that accomplished nothing in the Senate. I simply don't see the draw for either of them.
     
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    I think Carson would hold his own. He seems to have a quiet confidence and does not have to be a blowhard like Trump. Perhaps he would come across as showing his opponents as slick politicians most of them are. I do not expect him to win the nomination and a seat in whoever does cabinet would be a winner.
     
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    We already have the black version of Carter and yes he had no executive experience.
     
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    Not really. It lists all the polls and in most cases they are less than 2 weeks old. But that depends on what race we are talking about. Some of the head to head match ups are months old because no new polls have been forthcoming. Looking at the Republican nomination polls they are from the 19th thru the 28th September, six of them. The at the bottom you can go back and take a look at all the old polls. It is an excellent site.

    RCP also has a chart, a graph of where each candidate has stood in the polls July 23rd 2013 thru 30 Sep 2015. Looking for trends, it right there in their chart or graph or whatever you want to call it.
     
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    A lot of it comes down to charisma. Obama had it. Bill Clinton had it. Hillary does not have it....not even close. Carson doesn't have it either. After 8 years of a weak leader people want someone who isn't weak. The reason Romney lost was that he was too weak. He did not stand up against the bully media that was in the tank for the dems. Trumps popularity is because he is a strong leader and a fighter. The fact that he is leading in the polls and has not spent any money is quite impressive.

    It is early yet though. Things could change and probably will. I like the effect Trump has had on the race. These establishment republicans have been raked over the coals. I like that Carson is an outsider but I do not believe he could maintain that status. Without executive experience he would have to rely too much on established politicians like Obama has. Obama is nothing more than a puppet of the democrat establishment. His policies have Pelosi, Reid, Frank, et al written all over them. Carson would end up the same except with republicans.....if they allowed him to be elected. They could topple him at any time.

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    Carson would be the republican version.
     
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    I wouldn't vote for Trump for President in a million years but I would love to see him as Secretary of State. Carson could pick Biden to be on the Cabinet as well if he accepted. As far as I know that would be the first time that another candidate from the losing side was asked to join the winners cabinet and would show and unprecedented level of willingness to cooperate and restore some of the bad blood between the parties and stifle the rancor. :blankstare:







    Ok you got me I just want Biden and Trump in the Cabinet because of all the nonstop gaffes that would result. Boundless entertainment for all. :smile:
     
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    The Democrats do not see the draw for any of the Republican Candidates either. I won't support Trump, Bush, Hillary or Sanders. You can through O'Malley into that mix also. I won't have a hand putting any of those into the white house. I do have a history of voting for third party candidates when I dislike both the major party nominees. In 2012 I lost faith in one and didn't truth the other major party candidates. I voted for Johnson.

    The way I look at it, voting for the lesser of two evils or voting for the least worst candidate among the major parties still leaves you with a very bad winner. It becomes a lose, lose situation. But most people or should I say swing voters, independents will choose the least worst candidate in their minds. Thus we ended up with whom we got.

    At this early point in the process, if I could pick the GOP nominee I would go with Kasich. Jim Webb on the Democratic side. But who is the nominees is up to their party. They either choose a candidate I can support or they don't. It is quite simple really.
     
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    It use to be common practice to have a member of the opposite party in one's cabinet. I really doubt Biden would accept a position in any Republican cabinet. I liked Joe as a senator and he has been a good VP. But I wouldn't want him as president. I do not want Trump either, nor Hillary. I am kind of picky.
     
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    I think Bush had a Dem in his cabinet for Housing or something. I can recall instances of when the President-elect would try and tap his primary opponents for cabinet positions and obviously they do it all the time for VP, but I can't recall anytime that the President elect tried to tap his opposition in the other party at least since the very early days of the country when they had that godawful first place was President and second place was Vice President system. Who in cheese name actually thought that was a good idea. While VP is obviously a crappy idea I can't really see any downside into trying it out for cabinet position outside of politics.
     
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    I can see the appeal for both of these guys.
     
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    I'm not sure I would.
    Bush tried holding on to a bunch of Clinton guys as a sop toward unity, I think before the end of his first term, every single one of them sunk their knife between his shoulder blades as they exited and tried replace him with Kerry and John Edwards. That took the luster out of that approach for me.
     
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    Who thought it was a good idea? The Founding Fathers. See, this wasn't supposed to be a two party nation. The people were supposed to decide who their leaders were, not political parties.
     
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    and yet thinks jeb bush will be the nom. Are you sure you're realistic?
     
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    brah trump is falling since his inflated summer and the bucked filled of undecided are now coming out in resonse. Also Again soft spoken and being weak aren't the same Carsons been fighting the media this whole time, have you been ayong attention?
     
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    And when the political parties were dissolving as such, it was George Washington who warned us of our present dilemma in his final Address.

    See Here
     
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    The GOP establishment will topple Carson. They only want someone to run interference against Trump while they keep Jeb in the wings. Carson has not been battling anyone except his own mistakes. He gets pretty much a pass on things that should sink him. That will change if your pipe dream comes true and he truly becomes the front runner. Right now one poll does not make a front runner.
     
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    I only said the GOP establishment wants Jeb to be the one. They will get their wish if only Carson is in the way. The big money donors will topple him with ease. Carson will get beat down and only turn the other cheek on his way out the door. LOL!
     
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    This is my opinion and I could be wrong, but I think the Bush machine is going to dig up dirt on both Dr. Ben Carson and Donald Trump to get them out of the Presidential race. They don't want anyone to get in Jeb's way of securing that precious GOP Presidential nomination. My reasoning goes back to the election of 2012 when Obama was re-elected because then the Bush dynasty knew that 2016 would be open for Jeb to run for President.
     
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    John Kennedy hated firearms, he was appalled when he stayed at Lyndon Johnson's ranch in Texas once and LBJ took him out to shoot a deer. The experience haunted Kennedy for weeks and he made it absolutely clear to Johnson that he would never again participate in such an activity, even if he stayed at the ranch. Of course, his next visit to the ranch was scheduled for Thanksgiving, 1963, but he made a stop in Dallas beforehand............
     
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    Your out of reality in your own zone just like other crazies the ast year. The only mistake, if you can call it that, is his muslim comment. He;s been attacking and criticizing individuals and groups nobody else has, and has been after the media and liberal agenda constantly, you have no idea because youre ignoring him thus making most what youre saying pure nonsense. But will act as if this candidate doesnt exist while also acting like youve been following him, this has little to do with him being a frontrunner or not, how many more times do people like you have to be wrong? Doesnt this get tiring?





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    What "dirt" could carson have? Considering his media history you would think it would be found by now if any. Also Jeb has dirt of his own, and Trump has mountains, so looking at what your saying Bush must be waiting on using dirt on trump.
     
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    The election is a year away.... It's too early to even have an idea who will be the front runner a year from now. You can bet a couple more GOP candidates will jump in the ring over the next 6 months...
     
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    Let's say, for argument's sake, that after Ben graduated from Yale with a degree in psychology, he determined that he wanted to be a brain surgeon, specifically a pediatric brain surgeon. Since he's a really smart guy, he's decided to skip all of that med school nonsense and head straight for the operating room. Now then, do you want him to operate on your child?

    If that looks totally stupid, I'll agree. So why would you want to pick him for the most powerful elected position on earth when he hasn't even served a term as a town councilman somewhere?
     

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